Iran says cheap "Made in China" Qurans full of typos

[KEmperor]

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/31/iran-says-cheap-made-in-china-qurans-full-of-typos/?hpt=hp_c2

This just cracked me up for some reason.  I wonder if any "Made in China" bibles have the same issue.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Not saying this has any connection, but don't Muslims not accept Kirans written in any other language?like they don't believe the Korans found in US hotel rooms are legitimate.

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the Chinese should have included drawings of Mohammad

[MaxQue]

Not saying this has any connection, but don't Muslims not accept Kirans written in any other language?like they don't believe the Korans found in US hotel rooms are legitimate.

It depends of the branch of Islam. Some accept traductions, some are thinking than traduction denature the sayings of Mahomet.

Well, perhaps it is a wise idea. I have two different Bibles at home and the translation of some verses is quite different sometimes. They don't even mean the same thing by moments.

[Cincinnatus]

Not saying this has any connection, but don't Muslims not accept Kirans written in any other language?like they don't believe the Korans found in US hotel rooms are legitimate.

It depends of the branch of Islam. Some accept traductions, some are thinking than traduction denature the sayings of Mahomet.

Well, perhaps it is a wise idea. I have two different Bibles at home and the translation of some verses is quite different sometimes. They don't even mean the same thing by moments.

It is amazing what is lost (and what has been lost) through translation over the years.  Certain phrases mean nothing to us today, but must have been common understanding back then.  A few years ago I was told about the verse at the bottom, that the eye of a needle was a gateway, rather than what I would normally perceive it to be.  Of course, I can't assume this is so, but it's amazing the perceptions many of us have reading KJV and NIV.

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[Cincinnatus]

LOL people are still religious LOL

I'm starting to think belgian may have said it best..

Did people on here really fight to have you back?

[King]

the Chinese should have included drawings of Mohammad

As the master race, the Chinese do not care to intervene in petty religious fights beyond selling both sides books and memorabilia.

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LOL

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

LOL people are still religious LOL

LOL you're so edgy and mature LOL

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Not saying this has any connection, but don't Muslims not accept Kirans written in any other language?like they don't believe the Korans found in US hotel rooms are legitimate.

Koran is legitimate in it's original form: Arabic. Translations are, of course, allowed but just for, let's say, academic purposes. Only Koran in Arabic have spiritual meaning.

See, Muslims do believe that Koran is a perfect word from God. Thus, any translation can't be as perfect.

[minionofmidas]

Not saying this has any connection, but don't Muslims not accept Kirans written in any other language?like they don't believe the Korans found in US hotel rooms are legitimate.

Koran is legitimate in it's original form: Arabic. Translations are, of course, allowed but just for, let's say, academic purposes.

Or for beginners who haven't even converted yet.

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Only Koran in Arabic have spiritual meaning...Thus, any translation can't be as perfect.

so, basically, you're saying the Koran is not intended as a universal message, for it has no spiritual meaning outside of Arabic.

...did I catch your meaning or do you need to further translate?

[minionofmidas]

The Arabic original is the original message of God to the World through Mohammed, word for word. A translation is just a translation of God's word, and it is impossible to create a translation that is not also interpretation to at least some degree.
The difference between the Koran and the Bible being, of course, that the Koran was collated within 15 years or so of Mohammed's death, while the Bible is an extraordinary hodgepodge of writings spanning a millennium (though, of course, some surahs make it very clear that Mohammad or God had read parts of the Bible). Much of the distinction gets lost if you let everybody use their own translation.

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the simplicity of the Gospel's spiritual message is translatable in any language, for it was intended from the beginning to be a universal message of salvation...

to say that the spirituality of message is only gleaned within a given language is to elevate that language above the supposed "message"...for in such cases, the message is simply a tool to unify power in order to bring to fruition the real goal....it's a basically a bait and switch.

[MaxQue]

Must I remember than in some radical Catholic dissents, the bible and the mass are in Latin and can't be translated?

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Must I remember than in some radical Catholic dissents, the bible and the mass are in Latin and can't be translated?

you're trying to get me in trouble with the Catholics, aren't you

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Let Iran print them in their own sweat shops instead of Chinese ones.......or perhaps Hugo and his country's sweat shops will take over.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Only Koran in Arabic have spiritual meaning...Thus, any translation can't be as perfect.

so, basically, you're saying the Koran is not intended as a universal message, for it has no spiritual meaning outside of Arabic.

Intended? Hard to say, considering that Islam was created for Arabs in first place. Currently, I'd say, since Islam is a worldwide religion, it is intended, but only in original. Thus, to be any authority in Koran, you must be fluent in classical Arabic.

I know it's weird, but it's Muslim dogma. Show me a religion without strange dogmas.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Not saying this has any connection, but don't Muslims not accept Kirans written in any other language?like they don't believe the Korans found in US hotel rooms are legitimate.

Koran is legitimate in it's original form: Arabic. Translations are, of course, allowed but just for, let's say, academic purposes.

Or for beginners who haven't even converted yet.

It's an interesting situation, since, I'd say, most of the Muslims worldwide wouldn't be able to read an original Koran. Actually, most of the Arabs can't read classis Arabic.

That's why you have scholars.

[TheGlobalizer]

In other news, Iranian Islam is also full of typos and inaccuracies.

[minionofmidas]

Must I remember than in some radical Catholic dissents, the bible and the mass are in Latin and can't be translated?

The latin bible is a translation, of course...

 

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Must I remember than in some radical Catholic dissents, the bible and the mass are in Latin and can't be translated?

The latin bible is a translation, of course...

 

yes, the idea was the Vulgate was specially inspired as a translation in a way that didn't exist for the common tongues of Western Europe. 

[anvi]

I know Iran is talking about versions of the Qur'an printed in China, probably the Arabic versions, and I would not be at all surprised of they are typo-ridden.  But I've never thought to look at a version of the Qur'an in Chinese; I should, just out of curiosity, sometimes.  Islam is one of the five nationally recognized religions in China, and has a National Association which might subsidize translations.  On the other hand, a large number of the Muslims who live in China are in Xinjiang province, so I wonder what kinds of versions of the Qur'an they have.  Interesting, I'll have to read up a little on this.

[The Mikado]

Yesterday I finished my long-standing on-and-off project to read the entire Koran.  I must say that whenever people say that the Koran is much better in the original Arabic, I can only hope that they're right.  It's monotonous, repetitive, and doesn't flow well at all.  "They will be Companions of the Fire!"  "That is easy for Allah!"  "For Allah is most-forgiving, all-merciful," "Allah is greater than the things they attribute to Him!" etc.

[King]

Yesterday I finished my long-standing on-and-off project to read the entire Koran.  I must say that whenever people say that the Koran is much better in the original Arabic, I can only hope that they're right.  It's monotonous, repetitive, and doesn't flow well at all.  "They will be Companions of the Fire!"  "That is easy for Allah!"  "For Allah is most-forgiving, all-merciful," "Allah is greater than the things they attribute to Him!" etc.

Sounds like a thread in a Christian forum thanking God for finding $10 on the ground.