Ontario 2011 (6th October)

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

6th October??? what is this, Britain?!

[Hatman 🍁]

I think that was a wrong move made with good intensions... but in the end will benefit the NDP. Why? the NDP has a similar plan BUT isn't specific on immigrants but rather ALL ontarians...

From their policy book --> Reward Job creators... create a 10% tax credit for companies that invest in building, machinery and equipment.... create a training tax credit for companies to help their staff upgrade skills. Couple that with the NDP's plan to reduce the small business tax rate to 4%

And how will the liberals attach the NDP... with a video of the NDP van driving close (to me looks like more than a meter away but heck who knows!) to a cyclist. To me that was pathetic! It looks like the Liberals are desperate to hold even Toronto Centre!

If you believe 308, McGuinty might lose his own riding. Hopefully Dad's done.

Not a chance. Check my site!

[Хahar 🤔]

I think that was a wrong move made with good intensions... but in the end will benefit the NDP. Why? the NDP has a similar plan BUT isn't specific on immigrants but rather ALL ontarians...

From their policy book --> Reward Job creators... create a 10% tax credit for companies that invest in building, machinery and equipment.... create a training tax credit for companies to help their staff upgrade skills. Couple that with the NDP's plan to reduce the small business tax rate to 4%

And how will the liberals attach the NDP... with a video of the NDP van driving close (to me looks like more than a meter away but heck who knows!) to a cyclist. To me that was pathetic! It looks like the Liberals are desperate to hold even Toronto Centre!

If you believe 308, McGuinty might lose his own riding. Hopefully Dad's done.

308's methodology is rather suspect.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Everyone's methodology is suspect unless they can prove it works by using previous elections.

[Hatman 🍁]

Everyone's methodology is suspect unless they can prove it works by using previous elections.

My past Ontario predictions speak for themselves (last provincial and last 2 federal elections I got a better % of seats correct than electionpredictions.org)

[Hatman 🍁]

lololol: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ontariovotes2011/story/2011/09/07/ontario-ndp-weisleder-dropped.html

[minionofmidas]

That sort of thing in the middle of a campaign is never good news. It might be damage control, but it's not good news.

[Hatman 🍁]

That sort of thing in the middle of a campaign is never good news. It might be damage control, but it's not good news.

What? It's great news. I guess you don't know who Barry Weisleder is! We want to distance the hell out of him.

[MaxQue]

Isn't he the guy which the Socialist Caucus ran in 2003 federal leadership election?
Who was moronic enough to green-light his candidacy?!

[Holmes]

Hey, there was mention of Gilles. Yay.

Not that the NDP has a shot in Thornhill or any surrounding ridings. *shrug*

[lilTommy]

True, Thornhill is nowhere near a Suburban target but hey, who thunk Bramalea-Gore-Malton would be.

Barry is seen to be more into the race for personal reasons and not for party reasons. If you can't push party policy vs your own personal one then you shouldn't be a candidate. by the sounds of it he won due to a SC ally being the president of thornhill. I know both Simon Strelchek (sp) and Barry... both are wanting.

and like the NDP wants... moving on, they introduced their Northern platform...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-election/horwath-woos-northern-ontario-with-pledge-to-lift-flagging-economy/article2157957/

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Everyone's methodology is suspect unless they can prove it works by using previous elections.

My past Ontario predictions speak for themselves (last provincial and last 2 federal elections I got a better % of seats correct than electionpredictions.org)

A dog with a pen could beat EP

[Hatman 🍁]

Everyone's methodology is suspect unless they can prove it works by using previous elections.

My past Ontario predictions speak for themselves (last provincial and last 2 federal elections I got a better % of seats correct than electionpredictions.org)

A dog with a pen could beat EP

Perhaps in the last federal election.

[Hatman 🍁]

Harris-Decima poll with bizarre numbers:

Lib: 40
PC: 29 (!)
NDP: 24
Grn: 6

Does not compute.  I am definitely holding off on making another Ontario prediction for a while.

[adma]

True, Thornhill is nowhere near a Suburban target but hey, who thunk Bramalea-Gore-Malton would be.

On demographic grounds, B-G-M was more plausible--not unlike the BCNDP's suburban strongholds.  And for whatever reason, Thornhill's long been the rimshot bottom of the barrel among Ontario NDP prospects--if they were to target it, they'd need an Erin Shapero or something.

[MaxQue]

Harris-Decima poll with bizarre numbers:

Lib: 40
PC: 29 (!)
NDP: 24
Grn: 6

Does not compute.  I am definitely holding off on making another Ontario prediction for a while.

Well, the numbers are very normal, to me. It is the party labels which are bizarre.

[Hatman 🍁]

Harris-Decima poll with bizarre numbers:

Lib: 40
PC: 29 (!)
NDP: 24
Grn: 6

Does not compute.  I am definitely holding off on making another Ontario prediction for a while.

Well, the numbers are very normal, to me. It is the party labels which are bizarre.

At this point, I'd be just as surprised if the numbers were switched.

I do get the sense that a lot of people think Hudak=Harris, but that would mean the NDP numbers should be lower. I do know from my campaign job though that a lot of people are scared of vote splitting. (Incredibly odd considering the Tories have no shot in Ottawa Centre... I just want to smack some people...)

[adma]

Anyone notice that (momentarily, at least) the 2007 poll-by-polls and poll maps on the Elections Ontario site are down?

[lilTommy]

well this makes sense if they polled Ottawa South maybe But this sounds like a fluke to me... in the Globe they even say so!

"“There’s always some possibility that you get a rogue poll,” pollster Bruce Anderson said on Thursday evening. “We haven’t seen this kind of reversal of fortune before now.” "

Still the Liberals are trying to run a rigid campaign *cough a-la-Harper style cough*, they've had good tv ads, but already holes have been blown in their Tuition Grant (i get so mad when they say reduction) and immigrant job grants, its still a tight race

[minionofmidas]

That sort of thing in the middle of a campaign is never good news. It might be damage control, but it's not good news.

What? It's great news. I guess you don't know who Barry Weisleder is! We want to distance the hell out of him.

I am dimly aware. But there's a difference between him not selected anywhere, and him being deselected by some hard-to-judge bureaucratic process in the middle of the campaign. The latter probably is a better reminder of his existence than if he just silently ran in some unwinnable riding.

[Hatman 🍁]

That sort of thing in the middle of a campaign is never good news. It might be damage control, but it's not good news.

What? It's great news. I guess you don't know who Barry Weisleder is! We want to distance the hell out of him.

I am dimly aware. But there's a difference between him not selected anywhere, and him being deselected by some hard-to-judge bureaucratic process in the middle of the campaign. The latter probably is a better reminder of his existence than if he just silently ran in some unwinnable riding.

He should have been vetted prior to being nominated. "Sorry, your views don't match those of the party, so you can't run."

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The easiest solution would be to just expel him, obviously.

[MaxQue]

The easiest solution would be to just expel him, obviously.

Keep your friends close of you, and your ennemies even closer.
If expelled, he would just create his own party.

[Hatman 🍁]

The easiest solution would be to just expel him, obviously.

Keep your friends close of you, and your ennemies even closer.
If expelled, he would just create his own party.

I think we've been trying to get him to do that. It's not like he has many followers.

[lilTommy]

There is the recently establishe Socialist Party of Ontario... i think its a Michael Laxer creation? but i honestly think he'd fit in better with that party.

But i do think the SC (socialist Caucus) has a place in the NDP (hell in College i was mildy active in the caucus) i think they bring about ideas, its just maybe the way its done. Its the job of the party to convert far left policies to workable ones.