2012 NDP leadership convention

[MaxQue]

Your opinion does not count since you live in Quebec It's all about what the middle-class-uneducated-white-anglo-ontarian-western-canadian-NDP-members think

Sun Empire will remind all the time to them his independantist past.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I was referring to your first sentence rather than your second.

[RogueBeaver]

Topp: Layton wanted a 7-month race.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/09/06/pol-ndp-leadership.html

Chow: No endorsements.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/09/05/pol-chow-mansbridge-national05.html

[RogueBeaver]

The biggest difference would be in tone. Speaking as someone who's followed Mulcair's career since '05... his temper is no worse than Coderre's.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/lawrence-martin/firebrand-mulcair-is-the-best-bet-to-take-on-harper/article2152485/

[Holmes]

It would certainly take a fighter to take on Harper. Dion and Ignatieff were much too gentle and let him steamroll them.

[RogueBeaver]

It would certainly take a fighter to take on Harper. Dion and Ignatieff were much too gentle and let him steamroll them.

Remember the Grit "angry man" ads used against Harper with far less justification during the Martin years?

[MaxQue]

The biggest difference would be in tone. Speaking as someone who's followed Mulcair's career since '05... his temper is no worse than Coderre's.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/lawrence-martin/firebrand-mulcair-is-the-best-bet-to-take-on-harper/article2152485/

Coderre problem isn't his temper. It is than he is a loudmouth which craves media attention.

[Peter the Lefty]

Well, that's too bad.  At least it's nice to see that some potential Quebecois alternatives to Mulcair are emerging.  But are there any potential candidates who are from the more moderate wing of the party, but would still firmly oppose a merger with the Liberals?  If I were Canadian (and an NDP member, since that's where I'd fit ideologically), I'd probably support them.

Mulcair?

Mulcair hasn't really rejected it.  He sorta dodged the question by saying the main priority should be to seek out supporters from Liberal ranks. 

[MaxQue]

Well, that's too bad.  At least it's nice to see that some potential Quebecois alternatives to Mulcair are emerging.  But are there any potential candidates who are from the more moderate wing of the party, but would still firmly oppose a merger with the Liberals?  If I were Canadian (and an NDP member, since that's where I'd fit ideologically), I'd probably support them.

Mulcair?

Mulcair hasn't really rejected it.  He sorta dodged the question by saying the main priority should be to seek out supporters from Liberal ranks. 

Well, if he wants to win, he has to say that. At the last convention, the delegates voted against a motion forbidding merger talks.

[Hatman 🍁]

Well, that's too bad.  At least it's nice to see that some potential Quebecois alternatives to Mulcair are emerging.  But are there any potential candidates who are from the more moderate wing of the party, but would still firmly oppose a merger with the Liberals?  If I were Canadian (and an NDP member, since that's where I'd fit ideologically), I'd probably support them.

Mulcair?

Mulcair hasn't really rejected it.  He sorta dodged the question by saying the main priority should be to seek out supporters from Liberal ranks. 

Well, if he wants to win, he has to say that. At the last convention, the delegates voted against a motion forbidding merger talks.

You can blame the socialist caucus for that, with their verbose rhetoric in favour of it, as well as a few key MPs speaking against it.

[RogueBeaver]

Why is the merger non-issue even being debated?

[Hatman 🍁]

Why is the merger non-issue even being debated?

The media loves it.

BTW, I just love this cartoon:



(let me know if it doesn't work)

[RodPresident]

I think that is possible to get absolute majority or at least a plurality of seats to NDP. Dippers can target some seats in Liberal strongholds, like in Montréal and some seats that went Tory because vote splitting in GTA. I don't rule out a NDP breakthrough even in some provinces like Alberta (at least 5 seats) and gains in historical NDP territories like SK and MB.

[Peter the Lefty]

Well, that's too bad.  At least it's nice to see that some potential Quebecois alternatives to Mulcair are emerging.  But are there any potential candidates who are from the more moderate wing of the party, but would still firmly oppose a merger with the Liberals?  If I were Canadian (and an NDP member, since that's where I'd fit ideologically), I'd probably support them.

I don't know.  Something about Mulcair's Liberal past gives me a queasy feeling.  Especially the fact that he sat in the provincial cabinet while Charest waged war on unions, no?  For this reason, I'm leaning toward Paul Dewar, or Megan Leslie.  I could also see myself going for Topp.  Too bad I'm not in Canada.     

Mulcair hasn't really rejected it.  He sorta dodged the question by saying the main priority should be to seek out supporters from Liberal ranks. 

Well, if he wants to win, he has to say that. At the last convention, the delegates voted against a motion forbidding merger talks.

[RogueBeaver]

There will be no labour quota, and the convention will be held somewhere in Central Canada in either March or April. Hopefully we Montrealers get to host our 3rd party convention since 2005...

[MaxQue]

Nycole Turmel explained than the reason for no labour vote is than 2006 Convention decided to wrote "One Member, One Vote" in the Constitution, which meant than the will of members was no labour vote in leadership races.

[Hatman 🍁]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

[MaxQue]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

[Hatman 🍁]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

Technically the ridings, but I'm sure you could just show up at the convention and they'll randomly assign you a riding to represent.

[MaxQue]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

Technically the ridings, but I'm sure you could just show up at the convention and they'll randomly assign you a riding to represent.

Well, I don't have time to go there anyways. I'll focus on the campus association.

[Hatman 🍁]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

Technically the ridings, but I'm sure you could just show up at the convention and they'll randomly assign you a riding to represent.

Well, I don't have time to go there anyways. I'll focus on the campus association.

If it's in Montreal, you have no excuse!

[MaxQue]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

Technically the ridings, but I'm sure you could just show up at the convention and they'll randomly assign you a riding to represent.

Well, I don't have time to go there anyways. I'll focus on the campus association.

If it's in Montreal, you have no excuse!

I have the excuse than Outremont riding will be full of delegates already. And if all the members of Montreal goes, that will be a mess.

Even if I can pretend than I'm Abitibian and not from Montreal.

Anyways, there is nothing to do there for me.

[Hatman 🍁]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

Technically the ridings, but I'm sure you could just show up at the convention and they'll randomly assign you a riding to represent.

Well, I don't have time to go there anyways. I'll focus on the campus association.

If it's in Montreal, you have no excuse!

I have the excuse than Outremont riding will be full of delegates already. And if all the members of Montreal goes, that will be a mess.

Even if I can pretend than I'm Abitibian and not from Montreal.

Who cares. Show up to the convention, and request to participate. You may represent Wild Rose or Cardigan or Selkirk-Interlake or Parry Sound-Muskoka. It doesn't matter...

[MaxQue]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

Technically the ridings, but I'm sure you could just show up at the convention and they'll randomly assign you a riding to represent.

Well, I don't have time to go there anyways. I'll focus on the campus association.

If it's in Montreal, you have no excuse!

I have the excuse than Outremont riding will be full of delegates already. And if all the members of Montreal goes, that will be a mess.

Even if I can pretend than I'm Abitibian and not from Montreal.

Who cares. Show up to the convention, and request to participate. You may represent Wild Rose or Cardigan or Selkirk-Interlake or Parry Sound-Muskoka. It doesn't matter...

Seems illogical, but it worked like that last time. Well, I don't see why I should speculate on a event which may be far away from Montreal in months.

[Hatman 🍁]

Excellent news. Central Canada means I will probably be able to go (although having a convention in Vancouver didn't stop me this year). Maybe I will be able to meet Holmes!

Who decides who goes to the Conventions?

Technically the ridings, but I'm sure you could just show up at the convention and they'll randomly assign you a riding to represent.

Well, I don't have time to go there anyways. I'll focus on the campus association.

If it's in Montreal, you have no excuse!

I have the excuse than Outremont riding will be full of delegates already. And if all the members of Montreal goes, that will be a mess.

Even if I can pretend than I'm Abitibian and not from Montreal.

Who cares. Show up to the convention, and request to participate. You may represent Wild Rose or Cardigan or Selkirk-Interlake or Parry Sound-Muskoka. It doesn't matter...

Seems illogical, but it worked like that last time. Well, I don't see why I should speculate on a event which may be far away from Montreal in months.

Fair enough. If it is in the 514, we should have an Atlas get together