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« on: August 04, 2011, 11:04:27 PM »



Discuss.
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Tender Branson
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2011, 12:48:38 AM »

Well, the German labor market is certainly benefitting from the good economic situation there right now and because of demographic factors. Some areas in Germany have already full-employment (Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg) and some counties have unemployment rates of 1%, for example in the Ingolstadt area. By 2015, many companies will report shortages in getting enough skilled workers. This is because of demographic changes. The people who were born in the 1950s are starting to retire and their numbers are much higher than the ones entering the labor market right now. There are about 6.5 Mio. people in the age group of 55-60 right now who will retire in the next years, but in the age group of 15-20 only 4 Mio. people will start entering the labor market. That is a gap of 2.5 Mio. workers. Therefore Germany's unemployment rate will probably drop to record lows in the next years, but a certain base of them will always remain (1.5 Mio. to 2.5 Mio.), because you cannot train a salesman to be a analytical chemist and so on.

The other side of the Hartz IV story is that unemployment agencies started to push unemployed people into low-paying jobs below 400€ a month, so called 1€-jobs or mini-jobs. These jobs have almost doubled since the start of the reforms and make up 7 Mio. now, or better said every 5th German worker works for less than 400€ a month, is a so called "working poor". What the official jobless numbers also don't tell you is the fact that there are still about 7.5 Mio. Germans on welfare support. They either receive unemployment money or welfare money.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/0,1518,758944,00.html
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2011, 01:06:38 AM »

Here you can read more in an excellent article about the demographic background:

"Half Empty: The Slow, Painful Demise of Rural Germany"



http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,759377,00.html
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 02:15:36 AM »

It would help if the y-axis on the chart was actually labeled. Tongue

I'm assuming it's unemployment? It's hardly surprising. It's an ideological choice if you prefer people working for low wages or not-working and being provided for by those working for higher wages. It seems to be one of the major left-right divides in Europe right now.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 09:11:11 AM »

It would help if the y-axis on the chart was actually labeled. Tongue

I'm assuming it's unemployment? It's hardly surprising. It's an ideological choice if you prefer people working for low wages or not-working and being provided for by those working for higher wages. It seems to be one of the major left-right divides in Europe right now.

I suppose that would make SPD and Greens part of the right then, since they came up with Hartz IV in the first place? Wink
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2011, 09:31:42 AM »

It would help if the y-axis on the chart was actually labeled. Tongue

Unemployment.

Tender Branson's post kind of sheds light on things though.
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