Giffords returns to House floor to vote for debt deal vote.
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« on: August 01, 2011, 06:07:32 PM »

I don't know if I should be happy or appalled at how this has turned into a spectacle but it's certainly something to see.
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2011, 06:13:12 PM »

Watching on CSPAN now. She looks...the phrase 'frail, racked, but enduring' comes to mind. I'd definitely say it's a happy moment.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2011, 06:21:50 PM »

It made the Breaking News to be her and not the debt deal.  Perhaps planned by the Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2011, 06:22:41 PM »


Why part of me feels like I ought to be appalled.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2011, 06:23:13 PM »

Fantastic news. I hope she is recovering well, and will be able to return to the House more often.
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2011, 06:27:52 PM »


Why part of me feels like I ought to be appalled.

Eesh, I didn't even think of this. Horrible yet sadly unsurprising if true.
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2011, 06:43:31 PM »


Why part of me feels like I ought to be appalled.

I think your lack of faith in people is genuinely sad.
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2011, 06:45:23 PM »


Why part of me feels like I ought to be appalled.

I think your lack of faith in people is genuinely sad.

Other people think it was planned, too, dude. Despite your strong desires to make this about me, try to see some of the other comments here.
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2011, 06:51:39 PM »

I really do feel you must have had plenty of sh!t in this life to be so consistently cynical and untrusting, and it's not fair to you.

Roll Eyes

Yes, brittain, you got it. Again, ignore the fact that others said the same. We'll just concede that you have a good grasp on who I am despite the fact that you're someone I've never really spoken to privately and don't really know.

Do me a favor and stop trolling.
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2011, 07:03:27 PM »

I don't see the big deal, she's a member of Congress and returned to cast her vote. Perhaps she wanted to do the job she was elected to do, represent her constituents, something that certain members of Congress know nothing about.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2011, 07:08:10 PM »

I don't see the big deal, she's a member of Congress and returned to cast her vote. Perhaps she wanted to do the job she was elected to do, represent her constituents, something that certain members of Congress know nothing about.

Ok, spare us your usual nonsense for just a minute. Even if this wasn't some planned spectacle, you cannot be so clueless as to see why this is more than just a member of Congress returning to cast a vote. It isn't just "doing the job she was elected to do, representing her constituents, etc." If you want to use talking points, make them a little more original. There's a reason why her showing up is a bigger deal and a "breaking news" story in its own right.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2011, 07:11:01 PM »

It's foolish for any Democrat to deny why Giffords showed up today of all days.  It's also silly for Republicans to be offended as though showmanship is some new practice by the Congress.
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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2011, 07:12:46 PM »

Yay!
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2011, 07:13:52 PM »

Ok, spare us your usual nonsense for just a minute. Even if this wasn't some planned spectacle, you cannot be so clueless as to see why this is more than just a member of Congress returning to cast a vote. It isn't just "doing the job she was elected to do, representing her constituents, etc." If you want to use talking points, make them a little more original. There's a reason why her showing up is a bigger deal and a "breaking news" story in its own right.

Spare us your name calling, can you do that for one? Thank you. If you had a problem with it and don't think she should have been there, it's your right, but can't expect everyone else to hold that opinion.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2011, 07:14:54 PM »

Not seeing the problem. Obviously if she was ever likely to come back even for just one vote, then it would be for an important and/or symbolic one.

Anyway. Nice to hear of this.
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2011, 07:15:53 PM »
« Edited: August 01, 2011, 07:24:13 PM by DrScholl »

It's foolish for any Democrat to deny why Giffords showed up today of all days.  It's also silly for Republicans to be offended as though showmanship is some new practice by the Congress.

Before you name call, get this straight. It's clear that Giffords wanted to return to cast her vote on the debt ceiling, it's a big, important issue. I'm just saying it wasn't some master planned scheme like the OP is suggesting.
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2011, 07:16:35 PM »

Ok, spare us your usual nonsense for just a minute. Even if this wasn't some planned spectacle, you cannot be so clueless as to see why this is more than just a member of Congress returning to cast a vote. It isn't just "doing the job she was elected to do, representing her constituents, etc." If you want to use talking points, make them a little more original. There's a reason why her showing up is a bigger deal and a "breaking news" story in its own right.

Spare us your name calling, can you do that for one? Thank you. If you had a problem with it and don't think she should have been there, it's your right, but can't expect everyone else to hold that opinion.

Haha, ok, wow.

1) I don't know where I hinted that I expect everyone else to hold my opinion. Seems like you just like to  ramble on and say things that make little to no sense.

2) I never said I don't think she should have been there. I said that if it was staged, the staging was wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2011, 07:21:01 PM »



Haha, ok, wow.

1) I don't know where I hinted that I expect everyone else to hold my opinion. Seems like you just like to  ramble on and say things that make little to no sense.

2) I never said I don't think she should have been there. I said that if it was staged, the staging was wrong.

Yes, whatever you say. My point in my first post was that I didn't think it was some big stunt and that is was overly partisan to suggest it was and you responded rather defensively because someone disagreed, that's why I made the point about opinions.
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2011, 07:22:46 PM »

I'm just saying it was some master planned scheme like the OP is suggesting.

I assume you mean it wasn't some master planned scheme. I never said it definitely was. I don't know that it was. You don't know that it wasn't.

Sure, Giffords wanted to be there for an important vote. No one is saying that she shouldn't have been. It's the way it was done and it leaves people wondering. It wouldn't have been a breaking news story if she arrived to make her return vote on a few amendments just an hour or two before this vote, would it?
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2011, 07:25:00 PM »

According to her sources she insisted on being flown to DC for the vote. Doesnt sound staged to me honestly. Either way its a good thing to have her back since the shooting.
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2011, 07:29:14 PM »

According to her sources she insisted on being flown to DC for the vote. Doesnt sound staged to me honestly. Either way its a good thing to have her back since the shooting.

That isn't the point at all. It's the point that she was there for that to be her first vote once she arrived instead of the other votes held just before that. Turning it into a spectacle is the issue.

And, quite frankly, her staff saying that she insisted on going back doesn't suggest one way or the other that something was staged.
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2011, 07:30:07 PM »


I assume you mean it wasn't some master planned scheme. I never said it definitely was. I don't know that it was. You don't know that it wasn't.

Sure, Giffords wanted to be there for an important vote. No one is saying that she shouldn't have been. It's the way it was done and it leaves people wondering. It wouldn't have been a breaking news story if she arrived to make her return vote on a few amendments just an hour or two before this vote, would it?

Again, it was clearly her choice to return to Congress and cast her vote, she is still recovering, so of course she wouldn't be there to long and would just vote. Honestly, I doubt someone who is recovering from a serious injury would participate in this just for show or that the leadership would be stupid enough to even ask her to.
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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2011, 07:35:20 PM »

Honestly, I doubt...the leadership would be stupid enough to even ask her to.

I don't think you're aware of how low people are willing to stoop in this business. And before the attack dogs are let off their leash and say that I'm just attacking one party's leaders, my comment extends quite obviously to the leadership in both parties.
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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2011, 07:40:45 PM »

It's foolish for any Democrat to deny why Giffords showed up today of all days.  It's also silly for Republicans to be offended as though showmanship is some new practice by the Congress.

I'm with the fat tart on this one.

Her survival and comeback is an amazing story.  I think she earned being a momentary attention whore after taking a bullet to the cranium.

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« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2011, 07:47:45 PM »


Why part of me feels like I ought to be appalled.

I think your lack of faith in people is genuinely sad.

Other people think it was planned, too, dude. Despite your strong desires to make this about me, try to see some of the other comments here.

Who, hate mongering tea partiers??
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