SENATE BILL: Foreign Policy Reform Act of 2011 (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: Napoleon

[Napoleon]

Even the current occupant of this position admits that it is completely useless. We have, not just ordinary citizens, but members of this Senate wondering what the purpose of the office is. It is clear-- there is none.

[tmthforu94]

Ironically enough, I was wondering when this would happen earlier today. Didn't notice you had already introduced it.

Ben would probably do a better job trying to defend this position than I could. It's certainly a difficult position to has, because there aren't really any guidelines. I've just been helping SoEA Ben with foreign events, which I really don't need a title for.

My advice, as current GTO Ambassador, for the Senate would be to either amend this position to make it actually useful or just abolish it (sorry Ben).

[Kaine for Senate '18]

The position of GTO Ambassador has been held by three people.  During my tenure I worked along with SoEA Hashemite in negotiating with the Chinese.  Lief did not do much, and Tmthforu94 has been helping formulate the foreign policy of this administration.  Ideally, GM Maroaki and I will be able to formulate stories regarding the GTO, so that Tmthforu94 can fulfill more than just being my Deputy-Secretary, which is essentially the role now.

[tmthforu94]

Will there be a final vote on this soon? I'd like to know if my position is going to stay around before I start putting work into it.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Tmth said in his confirmation some things we could do for the position so maybe we should see if anything can come of his work on this.  But if we get rid of the GTO Ambassador position we should officially leave the GTO entirely also. No sense in being a part of an international organization if we don't have someone to pay attention to it.

[tmthforu94]

Tmth said in his confirmation some things we could do for the position so maybe we should see if anything can come of his work on this.  But if we get rid of the GTO Ambassador position we should officially leave the GTO entirely also. No sense in being a part of an international organization if we don't have someone to pay attention to it.

Basically, if you guys decide to keep this position, I plan on doing the best I can do. Mostly I'll continue helping Ben with foreign policy stories, but I also hope to put more information on Wiki and possibly do a little bio in the DoEA office about the GTO, just so Atlasians would be more educated on it.

[CatoMinor]

Couldn't we just keep the position but not have it filled by anyone? Like the countless of jobs that I am sure technically exist. Like I am sure we likely have an ambassador to Lichtenstein or to the U.N. but we don't actually fill those spots with active real people.

[Napoleon]

This bill is not intended to be used as a vehicle to withdraw from the GTO. If you desire that, it should be considered as a separate bill.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is a final vote desired on this bill? The 72 hours have elapsed and 24 hours have passed since a post was made.

AND NO MAYBES OR OTHER CRAP!!! U REALLY WANT IT, SAY IT LIKE YOUR REALLY WANT IT!!!



There, how is that for caution?

[Napoleon]

Yes, bring a vote. I see this debate was about as lively as the position.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A final vote is now open on this bill, please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain.

[Napoleon]

Aye

[bgwah]

aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am inclined to give tmth a chance to follow through and see if he can do what he promises with this position. If he fails, my opinion will likely change regarding whether or not to keep it.

Nay

[CatoMinor]

aye

[tmthforu94]

I am inclined to give tmth a chance to follow through and see if he can do what he promises with this position. If he fails, my opinion will likely change regarding whether or not to keep it.

Nay

Thank you, Yankee.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Let's see if this position can actually be useful before we chop it. Then again, is any governmental position that useful?

Nay

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nay

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Nay

[RIP Robert H Bork]

I agree with the opposing arguments posted above.

Nay

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Aye

[Napoleon]

With all due respect, even the GTO Ambassador himself suggested we either amend or abolish the office. You chose not to amend it or even really debate it; therefore, we should vote to abolish. Senator North Carolina Yankee has not presented an argument, he has posed a false dichotomy. It wont be Tmthforu who fails (this isn't administrating elections ), it is the position that has failed. It is rather useless. Senator shua, you even created a thread about this. Why are you voting Nay?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I asked tmth4u about my concerns on the GTO during his confirmation hearing, and he gave me a sense that he would do what would be necessary to address it. My concerns were not really about the GTO ambassador position itself, but more what has been the lack of information on the GTO.  If we end the GTO position, but then don't have anyone to address our role as a member state and what obligations we have as a part of it, we will have made that problem worse than before.

[tmthforu94]

I asked tmth4u about my concerns on the GTO during his confirmation hearing, and he gave me a sense that he would do what would be necessary to address it. My concerns were not really about the GTO ambassador position itself, but more what has been the lack of information on the GTO.  If we end the GTO position, but then don't have anyone to address our role as a member state and what obligations we have as a part of it, we will have made that problem worse than before.

I'd like to mention, Shua, that while nothing has been posted publically yet, I have done extensive reading on the matter the past few weeks and am composing a sort of bio for the GTO.

Let me be clear - I don't want this position to be abolished, at least while I'm serving in it. I wish the job had more concrete...what's the word...responsibilities, but in the meantime, I'm just trying to work with what I've got and create work for myself without breaking any laws. Should this bill fail and I'm able to continue my duties, I look forward to working with the Senate to possibly find a solution to make this position more relevant (I can honestly say I don't have any real, good ideas off the top of my head).

There is a thread about the GTO, though it's quite old. I hope to possibly quote it and try and bring it back to life.

For anyone who wants to see it: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=42496.0

I feel a lot of this could have been discussed (ie possible ideas for relevency) during my confirmation hearing, and I urged the Senate multiple times to engage. Shua has been the only Senator who's shown any interest at all. Unfortunately, Senators were still more concerned about the trial and personally attacking me, with the only real discussion occurring when the confirmation vote was stalled for no good reason.