John Boehner is a child and he's taking his ball home

[Meeker]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/us/politics/23fiscal.html?hp

[Landslide Lyndon]

Obama would have already lost reelection if not for Boner, McConnell and the rest of the Republican gang.

[Torie]

Cuz Obama took some of the marbles away after the Dems in Congress b slapped his emissary.  So Obama was pulled Left, and Boehner need to get the hell out before he was consumed by fire.

The Pubbies should just do the 500 billion cut (that Obama has already agreed to) and short term extension, and dare the Dems/Obama to kill/veto it. They should say the philosophical divide is just too great to do anything else, and that we need another election to make further progress. Everybody is changing their position every 5 minutes based on the latest pressure point to yank their chain. It's a circus. Shut it down. Obama will swallow. He will have no choice.

[NVGonzalez]

So who's ready to see Obama reach 400 Ev's and the return of Speaker Pelosi with her caucus of 260 members?

[NVGonzalez]

The Republican plan for 2012

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=9eTIE4BmXg8

[Sbane]

Cuz Obama took some of the marbles away after the Dems in Congress b slapped his emissary.  So Obama was pulled Left, and Boehner need to get the hell out before he was consumed by fire.

The Pubbies should just do the 500 billion cut (that Obama has already agreed to) and short term extension, and dare the Dems/Obama to kill/veto it. They should say the philosophical divide is just too great to do anything else, and that we need another election to make further progress. Everybody is changing their position every 5 minutes based on the latest pressure point to yank their chain. It's a circus. Shut it down. Obama will swallow. He will have no choice.

So what do the Republican want on taxes? Trying a 100% cuts budget is absolutely ridiculous. Is it just a disagreement on how the taxes are to be raised?

[anvi]

Cuz Obama took some of the marbles away after the Dems in Congress b slapped his emissary.  So Obama was pulled Left, and Boehner need to get the hell out before he was consumed by fire.

The Pubbies should just do the 500 billion cut (that Obama has already agreed to) and short term extension, and dare the Dems/Obama to kill/veto it. They should say the philosophical divide is just too great to do anything else, and that we need another election to make further progress. Everybody is changing their position every 5 minutes based on the latest pressure point to yank their chain. It's a circus. Shut it down. Obama will swallow. He will have no choice.

Won't work that way, Torie.  The House doesn't get to pass legislation all by itself.  That proposal would have to clear the Democratic-majority Senate in order for Obama to decide whether to veto it, and it won't.  If this is supposed to wait for another election, the Pubbies are digging themselves a hole.  The public does not favor a spending cuts only approach.  Of course, Obama will suffer too.  But, at present, it is Congress' decision whether or not to raise the ceiling, not the president's, and if they don't do it, they'll get more blame.  If the Republicans want to kick it to the next election while attracting minimal blame to themselves, they have to pass something like McConnell's proposal.   

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Obama is the one acting like the kid. The kids (Obama  amd his ilk of progressives and a few Rinos) are screaming for their tax and spend agenda. The grown ups (the Pauls, Pence, DeMint, Rokita) gave a great plan (cut, cap and tax) but Obama and crew don't like that Balanced Budget Amendment that keeps them within a limit like families have to live in.

[Torie]

The idea here is simple. Pass what folks agree on (and even the Dems agree on at least 500 billion, and many of them, as to cuts), and where you don't agree, have the election decide it.  In the meantime, maybe something will congeal to do more - to wit tax reform which lowers rates while raising revenue.

There is no reason to not raise the debt, and then have to slash spending 30% immediately, when you can avoid that be just passing those aspects of whatever deal is eventually agreed upon, or passed by either party if they held all the cards, and leave the balance to a later day.  And that is how the Pubbies should sell it, 24/7.  That is my best advice to them I think.

[krazen1211]

Cuz Obama took some of the marbles away after the Dems in Congress b slapped his emissary.  So Obama was pulled Left, and Boehner need to get the hell out before he was consumed by fire.

The Pubbies should just do the 500 billion cut (that Obama has already agreed to) and short term extension, and dare the Dems/Obama to kill/veto it. They should say the philosophical divide is just too great to do anything else, and that we need another election to make further progress. Everybody is changing their position every 5 minutes based on the latest pressure point to yank their chain. It's a circus. Shut it down. Obama will swallow. He will have no choice.

So what do the Republican want on taxes? Trying a 100% cuts budget is absolutely ridiculous. Is it just a disagreement on how the taxes are to be raised?

$800 billion in tax increases was already offered, it seems. Senate Democrats hollered and then obama asked for $1.2 trillion in tax increases.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Cuz Obama took some of the marbles away after the Dems in Congress b slapped his emissary.  So Obama was pulled Left, and Boehner need to get the hell out before he was consumed by fire.

The Pubbies should just do the 500 billion cut (that Obama has already agreed to) and short term extension, and dare the Dems/Obama to kill/veto it. They should say the philosophical divide is just too great to do anything else, and that we need another election to make further progress. Everybody is changing their position every 5 minutes based on the latest pressure point to yank their chain. It's a circus. Shut it down. Obama will swallow. He will have no choice.

So what do the Republican want on taxes? Trying a 100% cuts budget is absolutely ridiculous. Is it just a disagreement on how the taxes are to be raised?

$800 billion in tax increases was already offered, it seems. Senate Democrats hollered and then obama asked for $1.2 trillion in tax increases.

If the tax increases are from reducing COLA, they're pretty regressive.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Obama is the one acting like the kid. The kids (Obama  amd his ilk of progressives and a few Rinos) are screaming for their tax and spend agenda. The grown ups (the Pauls, Pence, DeMint, Rokita) gave a great plan (cut, cap and tax) but Obama and crew don't like that Balanced Budget Amendment that keeps them within a limit like families have to live in.

[AUH2O Libertarian]

Just let the debt ceiling come to hit.

Instant 42% cut of the federal government.  Obama can decide what he wants to keep going.  If he feels the wars in Afghanistan and Libya are more important than social security checks, that's on him.  The budget needs to be balanced.  To do that, Obama needs to decide what 58% of the current federal government is most important.  The rest can go because we will no longer be able to borrow to pay for it.  If we lose our AAA rating, so be it; we don't deserve it. 

I'm sick and tired of politicians only caring about their own reelection.  No debt ceiling raise.  The spending binge has got to stop now.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

[Del Tachi]

Speaker Boehner and his cacus have done their job, they passed their plan.  The Senate killed it.  The onus is now on the Democratic Senate (and to a lesser extent, the President) to create a viable alternative.  Instead, Reid and Obama and resorted to name calling and class warfare.  Shame...

Even though, I do hope somethings comes out of the "11 o'clock meetings" tomorrow...

[Sbane]

Cuz Obama took some of the marbles away after the Dems in Congress b slapped his emissary.  So Obama was pulled Left, and Boehner need to get the hell out before he was consumed by fire.

The Pubbies should just do the 500 billion cut (that Obama has already agreed to) and short term extension, and dare the Dems/Obama to kill/veto it. They should say the philosophical divide is just too great to do anything else, and that we need another election to make further progress. Everybody is changing their position every 5 minutes based on the latest pressure point to yank their chain. It's a circus. Shut it down. Obama will swallow. He will have no choice.

So what do the Republican want on taxes? Trying a 100% cuts budget is absolutely ridiculous. Is it just a disagreement on how the taxes are to be raised?

$800 billion in tax increases was already offered, it seems. Senate Democrats hollered and then obama asked for $1.2 trillion in tax increases.

So the Dems want the gang of 6 plan I am assuming. It doesn't seem like they are that far apart.

[DrScholl]

He is not a leader and it shows what problems the system has when someone like Boehner can be in charge of anything. In most countries, a person with his leadership skills wouldn't never make it into leadership. There need to be better standards set.

[BigSkyBob]

This is just another example of True Obama: everything is political. The country, allegedly, faces this dire threat losings its credit rating on one hand, and longtime insolvency on the other. Instead of acting to find a solution for the good of the country, he is embarked on a purely political course of attempting to force Congressional Republicans to play the role of GWHB reneging on his "No new taxes!" pledge.

The audacity of Obama becomes clear with his insistence that he would veto any small, short-term debt ceiling increase. Obama claims that he doesn't want to back in the same place eight months from now. Well, is this about the good of the country, or Obama? If it takes eight months to hash this out then Obama ought to be willing to spend that time for the good of the country.

His claiming that he would deliberately send this nation into default just to dictate the length of time until the debt ceiling needs to be raised again is his attempt to seize the role of a petulant child in the debate. By acting like a spoiled brat, Obama is hoping to force with the grownups in Washington to adjust his threat of throwing a temper tantrum.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

This is just another example of True Obama: everything is political. The country, allegedly, faces this dire threat losings its credit rating on one hand, and longtime insolvency on the other. Instead of acting to find a solution for the good of the country, he is embarked on a purely political course of attempting to force Congressional Republicans to play the role of GWHB reneging on his "No new taxes!" pledge.

The audacity of Obama becomes clear with his insistence that he would veto any small, short-term debt ceiling increase. Obama claims that he doesn't want to back in the same place eight months from now. Well, is this about the good of the country, or Obama? If it takes eight months to hash this out then Obama ought to be willing to spend that time for the good of the country.

His claiming that he would deliberately send this nation into default just to dictate the length of time until the debt ceiling needs to be raised again is his attempt to seize the role of a petulant child in the debate. By acting like a spoiled brat, Obama is hoping to force with the grownups in Washington to adjust his threat of throwing a temper tantrum.

I would assume that he would sign any debt ceiling increase that was a clean bill, regardless of size.

[Keystone Phil]

So who's ready to see Obama reach 400 Ev's and the return of Speaker Pelosi with her caucus of 260 members?

It's almost bed time out there on the west coast! Let us know how that dream plays out when you wake up, young man.

[BigSkyBob]

This is just another example of True Obama: everything is political. The country, allegedly, faces this dire threat losings its credit rating on one hand, and longtime insolvency on the other. Instead of acting to find a solution for the good of the country, he is embarked on a purely political course of attempting to force Congressional Republicans to play the role of GWHB reneging on his "No new taxes!" pledge.

The audacity of Obama becomes clear with his insistence that he would veto any small, short-term debt ceiling increase. Obama claims that he doesn't want to back in the same place eight months from now. Well, is this about the good of the country, or Obama? If it takes eight months to hash this out then Obama ought to be willing to spend that time for the good of the country.

His claiming that he would deliberately send this nation into default just to dictate the length of time until the debt ceiling needs to be raised again is his attempt to seize the role of a petulant child in the debate. By acting like a spoiled brat, Obama is hoping to force with the grownups in Washington to adjust his threat of throwing a temper tantrum.

I would assume that he would sign any debt ceiling increase that was a clean bill, regardless of size.

Yes, Obama said he would veto any "short-term" bill, ie, he said he would veto any bill that only added hundreds of billions, rather than trillions, to the debt ceiling.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

This is just another example of True Obama: everything is political. The country, allegedly, faces this dire threat losings its credit rating on one hand, and longtime insolvency on the other. Instead of acting to find a solution for the good of the country, he is embarked on a purely political course of attempting to force Congressional Republicans to play the role of GWHB reneging on his "No new taxes!" pledge.

The audacity of Obama becomes clear with his insistence that he would veto any small, short-term debt ceiling increase. Obama claims that he doesn't want to back in the same place eight months from now. Well, is this about the of the country, or Obama? If it takes eight months to hash this out then Obama ought to be willing to spend that time for the good of the country.

His claiming that he would deliberately send this nation into default just to dictate the length of time until the debt ceiling needs to be raised again is his attempt to seize the role of a petulant child in the debate. By acting like a spoiled brat, Obama is hoping to force with the grownups in Washington to adjust his threat of throwing a temper tantrum.

I would assume that he would sign any debt ceiling increase that was a clean bill, regardless of size.

Yes, Obama said he would veto any "short-term" bill, ie, he said he would veto any bill that only added hundreds of billions, rather than trillions, to the debt ceiling.

Obama is an idiot if he would actually veto a $999 billion increase that was a clean bill. I don't think he's quite that dumb.

[BigSkyBob]

This is just another example of True Obama: everything is political. The country, allegedly, faces this dire threat losings its credit rating on one hand, and longtime insolvency on the other. Instead of acting to find a solution for the good of the country, he is embarked on a purely political course of attempting to force Congressional Republicans to play the role of GWHB reneging on his "No new taxes!" pledge.

The audacity of Obama becomes clear with his insistence that he would veto any small, short-term debt ceiling increase. Obama claims that he doesn't want to back in the same place eight months from now. Well, is this about the of the country, or Obama? If it takes eight months to hash this out then Obama ought to be willing to spend that time for the good of the country.

His claiming that he would deliberately send this nation into default just to dictate the length of time until the debt ceiling needs to be raised again is his attempt to seize the role of a petulant child in the debate. By acting like a spoiled brat, Obama is hoping to force with the grownups in Washington to adjust his threat of throwing a temper tantrum.

I would assume that he would sign any debt ceiling increase that was a clean bill, regardless of size.

Yes, Obama said he would veto any "short-term" bill, ie, he said he would veto any bill that only added hundreds of billions, rather than trillions, to the debt ceiling.

Obama is an idiot if he would actually veto a $999 billion increase that was a clean bill. I don't think he's quite that dumb.

Well, whether, or not, he is that dumb, he was dumb enough to say that that was exactly what he would do!

[Landslide Lyndon]

This is just another example of True Obama: everything is political. The country, allegedly, faces this dire threat losings its credit rating on one hand, and longtime insolvency on the other. Instead of acting to find a solution for the good of the country, he is embarked on a purely political course of attempting to force Congressional Republicans to play the role of GWHB reneging on his "No new taxes!" pledge.

The audacity of Obama becomes clear with his insistence that he would veto any small, short-term debt ceiling increase. Obama claims that he doesn't want to back in the same place eight months from now. Well, is this about the good of the country, or Obama? If it takes eight months to hash this out then Obama ought to be willing to spend that time for the good of the country.

His claiming that he would deliberately send this nation into default just to dictate the length of time until the debt ceiling needs to be raised again is his attempt to seize the role of a petulant child in the debate. By acting like a spoiled brat, Obama is hoping to force with the grownups in Washington to adjust his threat of throwing a temper tantrum.

[Meeker]

Speaker Boehner and his cacus have done their job, they passed their plan.  The Senate killed it.  The onus is now on the Democratic Senate (and to a lesser extent, the President) to create a viable alternative.  Instead, Reid and Obama and resorted to name calling and class warfare.  Shame...

Even though, I do hope somethings comes out of the "11 o'clock meetings" tomorrow...

Why the hell is the onus only on the Democrats to create a viable alternative? The Republicans haven't presented anything viable either.