Israeli lawmakers pass West Bank settlement boycott law

[Free Palestine]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14111925

[MaxQue]

Well, Gustaf will be there soon to attck anybody who contest a law passed by Israeli government.

Attacking Israeli government is antisemitism, apparently.

[Gustaf]

Well, Gustaf will be there soon to attck anybody who contest a law passed by Israeli government.

Attacking Israeli government is antisemitism, apparently.

No, blaming all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government and referring to them as a collective that can be judged is anti-semitic by definition. And that's what I criticized you for in the past.

Furthermore, as is noted in the link the Palestinians already punish anyone using settlement produced goods, apparently without any internet outrage.

And Morgan's opening post commentary about how this is somehow comparable to slaughtering millions of innocent people...well, I'll just leave that to be considered by you.

But I disagree with the decision. Like the opposition points out, it's a violation of freedom.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

horrible. practically, that means a clamp down on freedom of speech.  what's the party breakdown on this vote?

[King]

The Israeli government is no less worrisome than the Muslim Brotherhood is in Egyptian democracy.  Of course, American pundits won't say a word and this news story will never make it to the United States papers.

[danny]

horrible. practically, that means a clamp down on freedom of speech.  what's the party breakdown on this vote?

aye (47):
Likud- 18
Yisrael Beitenu- 10
Shas- 8
United Torah Judaism- 4
National Union- 4
Jewish Home- 3

Nay (38):
Kadima- 21
Labour- 5
Hadash- 4
Meretz- 3
United Arab List- 3
Balad- 2

A few notes:
- Every party had all its present members vote the same way.
- All 4 Independence party members didn't show up.
-The Kadima vote is ironic since the law that was passed is basically a watered down version of a law proposed by a Kadima member.

[Verily]

horrible. practically, that means a clamp down on freedom of speech.  what's the party breakdown on this vote?

aye (47):
Likud- 18
Yisrael Beitenu- 10
Shas- 8
United Torah Judaism- 4
National Union- 4
Jewish Home- 3

Nay (38):
Kadima- 21
Labour- 5
Hadash- 4
Meretz- 3
United Arab List- 3
Balad- 2

A few notes:
- Every party had all its present members vote the same way.
- All 4 Independence party members didn't show up.
-The Kadima vote is ironic since the law that was passed is basically a watered down version of a law proposed by a Kadima member.

Is absence from crucial votes in the Knesset as common as that tally would suggest?

[danny]

horrible. practically, that means a clamp down on freedom of speech.  what's the party breakdown on this vote?

aye (47):
Likud- 18
Yisrael Beitenu- 10
Shas- 8
United Torah Judaism- 4
National Union- 4
Jewish Home- 3

Nay (38):
Kadima- 21
Labour- 5
Hadash- 4
Meretz- 3
United Arab List- 3
Balad- 2

A few notes:
- Every party had all its present members vote the same way.
- All 4 Independence party members didn't show up.
-The Kadima vote is ironic since the law that was passed is basically a watered down version of a law proposed by a Kadima member.

Is absence from crucial votes in the Knesset as common as that tally would suggest?

There are two main reasons for not being present during such votes:

1) Members of the Party/coalition who oppose the view of the party/coalition they are part of but are afraid of voting their conscience so they don't show up. This happened this time with the independence party which opposed the law but couldn't vote no because if the party started opposing coalition supported votes, Bibi would simply kick them out and fire their ministers*. On the other side of the aisle, Otniel Schneller** and Yulia Shamalov-Berkovich*** of Kadima who supported the law but didn't want to vote against party discipline.
This also happened during the Oslo and Gaza disengagement votes when the Shas members didn't show up.

2)Members who have another engagement (a family wedding, trip abroad etc.). In other countries members might have to cancel such events if they think the vote is too important to miss, but in the Knesset they make agreements with an MK from the other side of the aisle that they will also not show up and in return, at a later vote, when a member of the second party has another engagement the original member also doesn't show up.

*It should be noted that Barak said that he thinks the supreme court will cancel the law anyway, and he's probably right.
**Shcneller is a settler himself who used to be chairman of the Yesha council and is to the right of his party
***A Knesset member who is more famous for her anti-feminism , but is also to the right of her party.

[MaxQue]

Furthermore, as is noted in the link the Palestinians already punish anyone using settlement produced goods, apparently without any internet outrage.

And Morgan's opening post commentary about how this is somehow comparable to slaughtering millions of innocent people...well, I'll just leave that to be considered by you.

I didn't approved Morgan's commentary in its whole. I agree than the pattern of laws passed in Israel is worrying, but not to the point of comparing it to Germany.

And the Palestinians can put punish people using things made in a specific place or on another country if they want. Nobody sane is contesting what US is doing to Iran.

[Хahar 🤔]

What's most interesting is how Barak voted. His party doesn't exactly stand for anything.

[Gustaf]

horrible. practically, that means a clamp down on freedom of speech.  what's the party breakdown on this vote?

aye (47):
Likud- 18
Yisrael Beitenu- 10
Shas- 8
United Torah Judaism- 4
National Union- 4
Jewish Home- 3

Nay (38):
Kadima- 21
Labour- 5
Hadash- 4
Meretz- 3
United Arab List- 3
Balad- 2

A few notes:
- Every party had all its present members vote the same way.
- All 4 Independence party members didn't show up.
-The Kadima vote is ironic since the law that was passed is basically a watered down version of a law proposed by a Kadima member.

Is absence from crucial votes in the Knesset as common as that tally would suggest?

There are two main reasons for not being present during such votes:

1) Members of the Party/coalition who oppose the view of the party/coalition they are part of but are afraid of voting their conscience so they don't show up. This happened this time with the independence party which opposed the law but couldn't vote no because if the party started opposing coalition supported votes, Bibi would simply kick them out and fire their ministers*. On the other side of the aisle, Otniel Schneller** and Yulia Shamalov-Berkovich*** of Kadima who supported the law but didn't want to vote against party discipline.
This also happened during the Oslo and Gaza disengagement votes when the Shas members didn't show up.

2)Members who have another engagement (a family wedding, trip abroad etc.). In other countries members might have to cancel such events if they think the vote is too important to miss, but in the Knesset they make agreements with an MK from the other side of the aisle that they will also not show up and in return, at a later vote, when a member of the second party has another engagement the original member also doesn't show up.

*It should be noted that Barak said that he thinks the supreme court will cancel the law anyway, and he's probably right.
**Shcneller is a settler himself who used to be chairman of the Yesha council and is to the right of his party
***A Knesset member who is more famous for her anti-feminism , but is also to the right of her party.

The cancel out thing is done in Sweden as well, fwiw.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What's most interesting is how Barak voted. His party doesn't exactly stand for anything.

Some wags might opine that not standing for anything is a common feature of people named Bara(c)k.

[Хahar 🤔]

horrible. practically, that means a clamp down on freedom of speech.  what's the party breakdown on this vote?

aye (47):
Likud- 18
Yisrael Beitenu- 10
Shas- 8
United Torah Judaism- 4
National Union- 4
Jewish Home- 3

Nay (38):
Kadima- 21
Labour- 5
Hadash- 4
Meretz- 3
United Arab List- 3
Balad- 2

A few notes:
- Every party had all its present members vote the same way.
- All 4 Independence party members didn't show up.
-The Kadima vote is ironic since the law that was passed is basically a watered down version of a law proposed by a Kadima member.

Is absence from crucial votes in the Knesset as common as that tally would suggest?

There are two main reasons for not being present during such votes:

1) Members of the Party/coalition who oppose the view of the party/coalition they are part of but are afraid of voting their conscience so they don't show up. This happened this time with the independence party which opposed the law but couldn't vote no because if the party started opposing coalition supported votes, Bibi would simply kick them out and fire their ministers*. On the other side of the aisle, Otniel Schneller** and Yulia Shamalov-Berkovich*** of Kadima who supported the law but didn't want to vote against party discipline.
This also happened during the Oslo and Gaza disengagement votes when the Shas members didn't show up.

2)Members who have another engagement (a family wedding, trip abroad etc.). In other countries members might have to cancel such events if they think the vote is too important to miss, but in the Knesset they make agreements with an MK from the other side of the aisle that they will also not show up and in return, at a later vote, when a member of the second party has another engagement the original member also doesn't show up.

*It should be noted that Barak said that he thinks the supreme court will cancel the law anyway, and he's probably right.
**Shcneller is a settler himself who used to be chairman of the Yesha council and is to the right of his party
***A Knesset member who is more famous for her anti-feminism , but is also to the right of her party.

The cancel out thing is done in Sweden as well, fwiw.

It's referred to as pairing and it's a common convention.

[King]

This reminds me of Clause 4 of this bill: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=18268.0

[TheGlobalizer]

Bad law.  Makes Israel look foolish and mean-spirited.