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« on: July 05, 2011, 12:56:25 AM »

Are there any countries in which you consistently support the major "right-wing" party/coalition, while supporting the major "left-wing" party/coalition in your own country, or vice versa?
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 01:54:13 AM »

Does the Free Democratic Party count as left or right wing?
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 02:21:28 AM »

     I typically support Meretz/Hadash in Israel due to their views on Israeli-Palestinian relations. Otherwise no.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 02:32:32 AM »

There's a lot of developing and newly democratic (or not quite there yet) countries where I would support the pro-market liberals because the socialists are either despots or crazy nationalists or both. Thailand as recently debated is an example. There was also that recent incident in Ivory Coast (amusingly Sen. Inhofe supported the socialist ousted president, lol). In Northern Ireland I would vote for Alliance today, though it's a huge stretch to call them a "conservative" party even if their sole MP is now in coalition with the Tories (as they are affiliated with the Lib Dems), and might've supported UUP in the past. I'd like to support someone against Ortega in Nicaragua this year because his foreign policy has been horrible and I don't like how he's changing election laws for his personal gain, but not if the opposition nominates someone supportive of death squads/the Contras/a crazy right-winger.

Slovakia is probably the most "pure" example where I would've voted for the center-right in the last election, just because the old center-left party was in coalition with some pretty awful fascists.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 05:18:43 AM »

Assuming I'm leftie, which isn't entirely accurate; South/Central America in a number of cases (as long as they're sane liberal right, not some neo-fascist reactionary hard right as in Bolivia), Scandinavia outside Denmark, Estonia, Poland (perhaps), Slovakia (the left being hard-right nationalist), NZ (the Nationals are a good party now, though I'm still a Greenie), Moldova, South Africa (if one considers the DA more 'right')and most African democracies (the left tends to be archaic, too leftie, authoritarian or corrupt; not that the right is much better fwiw).
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011, 05:40:30 AM »

Well, the US Democratic Party is centrist...

Otherwise, well, from what I know of Peru I'd have supported Toledo in this year's elections. In Italy I might support IdV, which isn't ideologically left-wing. In Russia I'd support whatever party opposes Putin, right or left. There are probably a few others, too.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2011, 05:51:49 AM »

In Russia I'd support whatever party opposes Putin, right or left.

The Communists?  They're the largest non-Putin party.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2011, 07:17:48 AM »


What I mean is, what the relatively more leftist/rightist party is. You get some situations where opposing parties both call themselve left-wing, but one is relatively more left-wing. "Left" and "right" are considered in the context of the country, so while the Swedish right support many policies too extreme for much of the American left, it's valid for this exercise to consider those "opposites".
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2011, 08:13:39 AM »

In Russia I'd support whatever party opposes Putin, right or left.

The Communists?  They're the largest non-Putin party.

The only reason the communists are so strong is that they are a joke opposition and therefore are tolerated.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2011, 10:55:35 AM »


I back the 'centre-left' in a number of countries.

Supporting the Democrats is an obvious one. In Italy, I would back the Veltroni coalition over Berlusconi's. In Spain, depending on the candidate I may back PSOE over PP.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2011, 01:31:18 PM »

I used to support the Liberal Democrats in the UK, does that count? Like BRTD I would also (though grudgingly) support pro-market liberal parties against the communist ex-despots party.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2011, 01:52:46 PM »

I can't think of any left-wing parties I support.


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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2011, 02:56:46 PM »

Democrat Party
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2011, 09:07:12 PM »
« Edited: July 05, 2011, 09:11:26 PM by TheDeadFlagBlues »

PAN, Democrat Party, Democratic Alliance and I supported the Moderates in Sweden last year.

In South and Central America I'd definitely be a swing voter in most nations outside of Mexico. In Mexico, I would be a pretty stalwart PAN supporter with a few PRD votes here and there.
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2011, 11:08:33 PM »

Can't say I support authoritarians anywhere.  I suppose less authoritarian authoritarians as opposed to more authoritarian ones - but even then it's my "side of the spectrum."
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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2011, 11:13:34 PM »

India Congress Party (I have 2nd cousins who are politicians)
Pakistan People's Party (family backs this party)
Sometimes UK Labour Party
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2011, 12:06:17 AM »

Trinamool Congress.

Don't support all their policies (way too socialistic for my taste) but they are much better than the commies. I have become an even bigger supporter after my recent trip to Bengal and saw Mamata's attempts at improving relations with business.
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2011, 12:40:43 AM »

Does the Free Democratic Party count as left or right wing?

Since it is in coalition with the the right-wing CDU/CSU, count it as "right-wing".
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 02:51:46 AM »

Formerly a LibDem supporter. I support the Dems in the US most of the time, and they're centre right... Cheesy
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2011, 07:18:59 AM »

I don't. I might sometimes accept that a party with strikingly different views to mine might sometimes be the lesser of two (or perhaps several) evils, but that's not the same thing as supporting it. Besides, you can follow an election (and analyse the results) without cheering for one of the competing parties; politics is a bit like sport in that respect.

Anyways, you all need to be very careful when you see the word 'liberal' being used to describe a political party outside the so-called 'West'. We've long accepted that words like 'socialist' and 'democratic' don't always mean what they ought to in such places; the thing a lot of people don't understand is that the same is true for other words in the western political dictionary.
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2011, 10:12:06 AM »

In Italy, I would back the Veltroni coalition over Berlusconi's.

Just so you know, Veltroni hasn't led the coalition since 2008.  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2011, 10:13:24 AM »

Does the Free Democratic Party count as left or right wing?

Since it is in coalition with the the right-wing CDU/CSU, count it as "right-wing".

OK, I can count that one then.
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2011, 11:06:24 AM »

The FDP is to the right of the CDU these days anyway...
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2011, 11:10:50 AM »
« Edited: July 06, 2011, 11:12:45 AM by Senator Napoleon »

The FDP is to the right of the CDU these days anyway...

The FDP is very socially liberal and that is more important to me than anything else. It isn't as if they would cut everything like Republicans are trying to. I can't say how I'd truly feel unless I lived in Germany I suppose.
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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2011, 11:13:30 AM »

It isn't as if they would cut everything like Republicans are trying to.

The average Republican policymaker makes John Redwood look like Aneurin Bevan so I'm not sure if that's saying much.
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