Argentina 2011: Election day Sunday 23th october (POST ELECTION)

[Franzl]

Lol, 53 minutes till the polls open and I'm still awake. I need to get some sleep

They open only at 8 AM? Seems quite late.

Pretty normal for Sunday voting countries, isn 't it?

[GMantis]

Lol, 53 minutes till the polls open and I'm still awake. I need to get some sleep

They open only at 8 AM? Seems quite late.

Pretty normal for Sunday voting countries, isn 't it?

I don't know, here they opened at 6 AM.

[Edu]

Lol, 53 minutes till the polls open and I'm still awake. I need to get some sleep

They open only at 8 AM? Seems quite late.

No idea if it's late compared to most other countries but here it's been historically from 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM.

[minionofmidas]

Lol, 53 minutes till the polls open and I'm still awake. I need to get some sleep

They open only at 8 AM? Seems quite late.

No idea if it's late compared to most other countries but here it's been historically from 8:00 AM to 6:00 PM.

Same as here, then.

Most people make the mistake of thinking most other countries do much the same as their own. I have, too, in the past. The truth is that variation on the issue is bewildering the world over. Also regarding postal/early voting etc.

I still think the former Italian custom of opening polls all weekend was right and proper.

[GMantis]

Here it's usually either from 7 AM to 8 PM or 6 AM to 7 PM.

[Edu]

Ok, I'm off, going to vote.

By the way, again for trivia purposes, my electoral circuit voted like this on August:

Turnout = 76,4% (around 11.000 votes)

Cristina Kirchner: 32%
Eduardo Duhalde: 18,4%
Hermes Binner: 16,5%
Ricardo Alfonsin: 10,1%
Alberto Rodriguez Saa: 9,5%
Elisa Carrio: 6,3%
Jorge Altamira: 5% (amongst the highest in the city )
Alcira Argumedo: 1,9%
The other 2 jokes: 0,3% combined

[Edu]

Just came back from voting. Even had time for a cup of coffee

Yep, I voted for Binner and his legislative candidates like I did in August. Hope they win the city.

According to Twitter numbers Cristina Kirchner is being mentioned the most followed by Hermes Binner, with the other candidates generally behind. Not sure if it means anything

[minionofmidas]

Binner has a hilarious English wiki page.

[Edu]

9 provinces will elect their governors today. Most follow the trend of having the incumbents winning, but there are some of interesting ones.

Incumbent Kirchnerist governors in Buenos Aires, La Pampa, Formosa, Jujuy, San Juan and Santa Cruz are currently comfortably ahead in every poll taken and are almost sure to be reelected.


In San Luis, there won't be a Rodriguez Saa governing the province for the first time since 1983. Former Alberto Rodriguez Saa chief of Staff (among other things), a guy named Claudio Poggi, is favorite according to the polls, so there is a good chance that the province will remain in opposition hands. It will be interesting however to see how the kirchnerists will do in the only province that has never voted for either Nestor or Cristina.

In Entre Rios, incumbent kirchnerist governor Sergio Uribarri is also favored to win, but his main opponent is Jorge Busti who as a former 3 term governor of the province, shouldn't be taken lightly. Busti is supported by Duhalde, but there is also an official PRO candidate supported by Macri and it's likely that he's going to chew some support from Busti.

The big one today (apart from Buenos Aires obviously) is going to be Mendoza, the 5th biggest province in terms of population. Former governor Roberto Iglesias, who has been one of the most important politicians in the UCR for the past 10 years is trying to claim back the governorship. He was governor from 1999 to 2003 (his successor was current vicepresident Julio Cobos) and as far as I now has never been a Kirchnerist. He ran for governor in 2007 but got slightly less than 10% of the vote and finished 4th.
He's currently doing pretty well in the polls against Kirchnerist candidate Francisco Perez, even winning some. He has a couple of problems though. For one, Alberto Rodriguez Saa got more than 20% in the province and is supporting Luis Rosales as a gubernatorial candidate and according to the polls, Rosales has also about 18%-20% of the support and Iglesias is the one that loses more votes.
Also, he has the problem of being tied to the ballot of Ricardo Alfonsín who has been collapsing recently. Francisco de Narvaez in the province of Buenos Aires already broke off the alliance a month ago (realising that allying with Alfonsín was a huge mistake) and endorsed Alberto Rodriguez Saa for president hoping to get more support. Well, something similar happens in Mendoza but here, hilarity makes a triumphant entrance. For months now, the guy has been demanding the courts to be separated from Alfonsín's ballot and knowing that Cristina will win the province easily and fearing she'll help carry Perez to the governorship, he has been saying in TV interviews, ads, etc that people should vote for Cristina and then split the ballot and vote for him as governor. So, we have the strange picture of having an UCR candidate trying to get as far away as possible from it's presidential candidate, campaigning regularly with other UCR figures not named Alfonsín and criticising Cristina, while at the same time trying to be associated with her as much as possible without looking like a schizophrenic and riding her Coattails

[Niemeyerite]

I'd vote form Binner if I could. But CFK is not THAT bad.

[redcommander]

I don't like this election so much.

[Edu]

I'd vote form Binner if I could. But CFK is not THAT bad.

Of course not. I'm actually very supportive of her social policies and on economic policies she has done some good things and some bad things obviously, but I doubt the opposition would do much better.
If it weren't for the fact that they are peronists, getting a lot of hubris talking about how immune we are to the world crisis and religiously practice clientelisim I would probably vote for her and the FPV.

My belief is that a socialist administration under Binner would be less corrupt, less clientelistic, better in economic terms and they would probably support the same social policy.

I also personally don't like to have one party control most things (even if it's democratically elected) so it would be nice if the FPV doesn't get an absolute majority and loses at least the gubernatorial election in Mendoza.

[Edu]

We won't have official results till 9:30 but apparently Cristina did better than in the primaries which would probably mean she'll get the 4th highest percentage in our history after Peron in 1951, Yrigoyen in 1928 (though women didn't vote then) and Peron in 1973.
Probably close with Peron in 1946.

[redcommander]

We won't have official results till 9:30 but apparently Cristina did better than in the primaries which would probably mean she'll get the 4th highest percentage in our history after Peron in 1951, Yrigoyen in 1928 (though women didn't vote then) and Peron in 1973.
Probably close with Peron in 1946.

Didn't Peron get close to 60% in 46?

[Edu]

We won't have official results till 9:30 but apparently Cristina did better than in the primaries which would probably mean she'll get the 4th highest percentage in our history after Peron in 1951, Yrigoyen in 1928 (though women didn't vote then) and Peron in 1973.
Probably close with Peron in 1946.

Didn't Peron get close to 60% in 46?

No, he got around 53%-54%

[redcommander]

BTW, why didn't the opposition try and run a unity candidate? It could have cut down on CFK's margin, and limited losses in Congress.

[MaxQue]

BTW, why didn't the opposition try and run a unity candidate? It could have cut down on CFK's margin, and limited losses in Congress.

Because they are no common link together.
It would strecht from Socialists to Neo-Liberals. That is obviously wrong.

[Edu]

Well, I said this back in August:

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I think much of what I said still stands. Plus, frankly, huge alliances between candidates that have nothing to do ideologically are not exactly my cup of tea

Plus it would remind some people too much of the Unión Democratica that run against Peron in 46' which was composed of the UCR, the PDN (the party of the conservative land owners), some reformists, the socialists, the communists and who knows what else. Talk about a clusterf**k

[Edu]

First official results coming in.

15% reporting

Cristina Kirchner: 53,04%
Hermes Binner: 16,98%
Ricardo Alfonsin: 13,21%
Alberto Rodriguez Saa: 7,33%
Eduardo Duhalde: 5,56%
Jorge Altamira: 2,12%
Elisa Carrio: 1,66%

Apparently the province of Buenos Aires is barely reporting, so this will probably mean Cristina will get more than 55% for sure.

[Edu]

18% reporting

Cristina Kirchner: 52,85%
Hermes Binner: 17,24%
Ricardo Alfonsin: 13,07%
Alberto Rodriguez Saa: 7,28%
Eduardo Duhalde: 5,71%
Jorge Altamira: 2,16%
Elisa Carrio: 1,71%

So Binner went way up, Alfonsín and Rodriguez Saa mantain their numbers, and the one who completely collapsed was Duhalde.

Wow, in the city of Buenos Aires (25% reporting) Cristina is winning with 37,63% with Binner 2nd with 25,83%

[Edu]

Lol at the Marxists beating Carrio.

San Luis is 10% in and Rodriguez Saa is winning 52% against, 32% of Cristina in what will still be the only province never to have voted for a Kirchner.

Binner has a good chance of winning Santa Fe province though. With 27% reporting, Cristina has 41% against Binner who has 37%, but Rosario is only 15% reporting.

In my commune in the city of Buenos Aires Binner has 33% against 27% of Cristina. Tomorrow i'll see how my electoral circuit voted

[Edu]

Turnout is 76,44% which seems to be similar to the primaries.

In the city of Buenos Aires the FPV is getting 4 seats while the socialists and the PRO are getting 2 each. The PRO is getting 18,5% without having an official candidate which is better than in the primaries.

38% against Binner's 23% in Córdoba

Gap closing in Santa Fe and the City of Buenos Aires.

And with almost 60% reporting, she's currently winning 81,76% of the vote in Santiago del Estero.

And here is the official results page: http://www.elecciones2011.gob.ar/paginas/paginas/dat99/DPR99999A.htm

[Edu]

Cristina and Scioli running head to head in the province of Buenos Aires to see who gets more votes. LOL de Narvaez.

10 points difference between Cristina and Binner in the city of Buenos Aires, will porobably get closer, but I doubt there is room for Binner to win here.

However, he's closing in (3% difference) in Santa Fe.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Is Binner likely to hold onto second?

[Edu]

Carlos Menem reelected as senator from la Rioja under the Kirchnerist banner. That's rich.

My father's cousin is being reelected as mayor of Coronel Suarez in the province of Buenos Aires. Yay for the family

Is Binner likely to hold onto second?

He's battling for 1st place in Santa Fe. He's currently 2nd in the City of Buenos Aires, the province of Buenos Aires and Córdoba. and while he is 4th in Mendoza, it is an almost negligible difference between him and Alfonsín there.
These are the 5 biggest districts in the country populated by 27.000.000 people which is way more than 50% of the country, so unless I'm terribly mistaken, he should hold on to 2nd place.