If US politicians were Canadian

[tpfkaw]

My best guess, if we "equalized" it so roughly a third of Americans would vote for each:

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

LOLIdaho

[Nhoj]

This is what Minnesota would look like:



Well assuming there was IRV or something, due to vote splitting the Conservatives would win just about every county with FPTP, everything except the Twin Cities and Iron Range counties.

That's also largely a guess in a lot of cases, there's some quirky voting patterns in Canada that are tough to put in an American context (No one would consider Newfoundland to be a stronghold for the type of American politicians the Liberals are associated with for example.) Also that's for elections up until last, where just about all the red counties would flip orange except for that continuous band in southeastern Minnesota, Olmsted might flip back to Conservative as it would've voted for generations. That belt running from Freeborn to the border would probably be one of the last Liberal areas to drop, they're not voting Conservative because the part is made up of religious fanatic and hyper-capitalist nutjobs and dominated by the exurbs and don't want to vote NDP because it's mostly urban (small l) liberals and miners from far away who are out of touch with them. They'd flip NDP in the event of the Liberals actually folding though.

I don't think the western farm counties voting liberal is too likely.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

They won't like the Conservatives for the same reasons they don't like the Republicans, and they wouldn't like the NDP because they'd be the party of urban small l liberals and union members.

[Holmes]

They won't like the Conservatives for the same reasons they don't like the Republicans, and they wouldn't like the NDP because they'd be the party of urban small l liberals and union members.

A lot of rural places vote NDP in Canada...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

They won't like the Conservatives for the same reasons they don't like the Republicans, and they wouldn't like the NDP because they'd be the party of urban small l liberals and union members.

A lot of rural places vote NDP in Canada...

Not really agricultural places though. Not since the 1950s, anyway; it was the CCF's wipeout in such places (amongst other things) that prompted the decision to transform itself into a model Gaitskellite social democratic party.

[Hatman 🍁]

My best guess, if we "equalized" it so roughly a third of Americans would vote for each:

West Virginia voting Liberal? LOLOLOL

[tpfkaw]

My best guess, if we "equalized" it so roughly a third of Americans would vote for each:

West Virginia voting Liberal? LOLOLOL

Ancestrally Liberal for the same reason as it's ancestrally Democratic IRL.  Remember that I'm approximately doubling the number of left-wingers.

[King]

Although it is a non-factor in Canada, Christian Heritage would win the Deep South states.  With a name like that, how could they possibly lose them?

[Hatman 🍁]

My best guess, if we "equalized" it so roughly a third of Americans would vote for each:

West Virginia voting Liberal? LOLOLOL

Ancestrally Liberal for the same reason as it's ancestrally Democratic IRL.  Remember that I'm approximately doubling the number of left-wingers.

More likely to be ancestrally New Democrat. Well, maybe not. In Cape Breton (a similar coal mining region in Canada), the NDP has done well in the past (and well provicially), but it is held by the Liberals.... however it's not as socially conservative as WV.  I see it being similar to Saskatchewan, in terms of being a very populist region. Liberals are not the party of populists. (at least not anymore)

[Hash]

Cape Breton is also Catholic, which West Virginia most certainly is not.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I didn't think West Virginia as Liberal is that ridiculous considering that Newfoundland is basically Canada's West Virginia. Of course fishing is not mining and it's a bit of a stretch to assume WV would have the same tradition.

But Idaho as NDP? I can't think of any logical justification for that at all. Especially as Alberta is basically Canada's Idaho + oil industry (seriously, look at a map. The similarities in all states/provinces don't exactly end abruptly at the border.)

[Hatman 🍁]

I didn't think West Virginia as Liberal is that ridiculous considering that Newfoundland is basically Canada's West Virginia. Of course fishing is not mining and it's a bit of a stretch to assume WV would have the same tradition.

But Idaho as NDP? I can't think of any logical justification for that at all. Especially as Alberta is basically Canada's Idaho + oil industry (seriously, look at a map. The similarities in all states/provinces don't exactly end abruptly at the border.)

Newfoundland is Liberal because they hate Harper and because traditionally, Protestants there have voted Liberal. The more Catholic St. John's area is traditionally Tory, but those voters voted NDP or stayed home in 2011.  Voting patterns by religion in Newfoundland are the exact opposite of the rest of the country, btw.

Also, I don't think Newfoundland is as socially Conservative as West Virginia. Again, I offer the example of Saskatchewan.

[Хahar 🤔]

Hmm. I would've gathered that the NDP would be quite strong in Minnesota.

That map is kind of misleading, just like the Democratic vs. Republican map most of those blue counties aren't very populated. Hennepin would be close between the NDP and Liberals too. But I don't see much reason for those agrian counties to vote NDP, there simply isn't any such NDP-voting area in Canada.

Certainly not in Montana like Xahar suggested.

It makes sense if you take note of who the people who are actually Democrats in Montana are.

Maybe, but I always thought of Montana was like Alberta, politically, but perhaps it's more similar to the B.C. Interior.

Atamenko's the sort of politician who would fit reasonably well with the Montana Democrats. If Montana's like any province, it's Saskatchewan, but really it's most like British Columbia sans the metropolitan areas.

[Хahar 🤔]

This is an interesting thread in a board that could use something requiring a bit of thought. I hope nobody minds if I bump it.

[Username MechaRFK]

Robert La Follette Sr-NDP

Can't think of other GOPers that would be in the NDP

[Хahar 🤔]

Robert La Follette Sr-NDP

Can't think of other GOPers that would be in the NDP

La Follette would have been a Progressive, but he wasn't a socialist. He would have ended up in the Liberal Party.

[Username MechaRFK]

Robert La Follette Sr-NDP

Can't think of other GOPers that would be in the NDP

La Follette would have been a Progressive, but he wasn't a socialist. He would have ended up in the Liberal Party.

He had support of labor unions though.

What about what wings and party would these Canucks be in?

Pierre Trudeau

Jack Layton

Joe Clark

I see Layton as Kucinich Dem where Clark being moderate republican

[Хahar 🤔]

Trudeau and Layton would have been generic liberal Democrats. Clark certainly would be a Republican; remember that he's Albertan.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

2011, America style:

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

I could see Eisenhower running as a Liberal instead of as a Torie but I'd doubt he'd be involved in politics if he was Canadian.

Al Smith - Liberal
Kennedy family - all Liberals
Jerry Brown - Liberal
George McGovern - NDP
Adlai Stevenson - Liberal
Hubert Humphrey - NDP
Howard Dean - Liberal
Barack Obama - Liberal (via his immigrant heritage and admiration for Pierre Trudeau)
Hillary Clinton/Bill Clinton - Liberal
Lincoln Chaffee - Liberal
Nelson Rockefeller - Conservative
Harry Truman - Liberal
Richard Gephardt - NDP
John Edwards - Liberal
John Kerry - Liberal
Dennis Kucinich - NDP
Joe Lieberman - Liberal

[Username MechaRFK]

Nelson Rockefeller-Liberal
Mitt Romney-Conservative
Al Gore-Liberal
Wesley Clark-Liberal
Barney Frank-NDP
Eliot Spitzer-Liberal
Jan Brewer-Conservative
Deval Patrick-Liberal
Mayor Bloomberg-Tory
Antonio Villaraigosa-Liberal

[Хahar 🤔]

A lot of this is based on religious affiliation. Al Smith and the Kennedys and the Browns would certainly be Liberals, given that they were Catholic.

I think that the closest analog to the South might be Quebec, which would make the South historically monolithically Liberal.

2011, America style:

Did you forget to change DC? I don't think it would vote 90% Liberal.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

I'd like to think that the Tories are more Southern representative while Liberals are more representative of New England but it is hard to say because we're dealing with different countries. Determining which party would be abolitionist and which party would be secessionist essentially determines which politicians would fall where.
 
Saying that Liberals would be the party of racism, the Confederacy and the like just turns them into the Democrats and makes for a boring exercise.

[Username MechaRFK]

I'd like to think that the Tories are more Southern representative while Liberals are more representative of New England but it is hard to say because we're dealing with different countries. Determining which party would be abolitionist and which party would be secessionist essentially determines which politicians would fall where.
 
Saying that Liberals would be the party of racism, the Confederacy and the like just turns them into the Democrats and makes for a boring exercise.

I'm going to say the Liberal and Conservatives bases are the same as the republican and democratic except that Jews vote con instead of the liberals.