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« on: June 04, 2011, 05:25:01 PM »

Back in the nineties, speculation arose over Colin Powell's candidacy for the 1996 Republican nomination. With the prospect of nominating a war hero and appealling to the black vote, a majority of Republican voters would have voted for Powell.

Clinton, already having most of the black vote in his column, would be in an interesting predicament: how would he face a black candidate from the other party when his party had accused the other of racism since 1964?

Had Powell won the nomination, he would need to select a running mate from his right, since the General was a moderate. I believe the most likely VP nominee would have been Jack Kemp.

But the question remains: who would win?

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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2011, 05:41:58 PM »

Powell would have made a great President if he had ever run and won. In 1996, with an economy recovered Powell puts a good fight, but Clinton still wins.

Arizona, Florida stays with the GOP, NH and PA flip back as well. However Clinton keeps Georgia.



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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2011, 05:45:46 PM »

It would be interesting to have a black, pro-choice veteran Republican for a president.
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2011, 05:49:19 PM »

Should be moved to Past Election What-ifs (US)
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 01:51:37 PM »

It would be interesting to have a black, pro-choice veteran Republican for a president.

Interesting if you want to elect more democrats.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2011, 02:03:19 PM »

Powel would probably win. Clinton concidered Powell to be the greatest threat against himself in 1996.
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2011, 02:26:04 PM »

It would be interesting to have a black, pro-choice veteran Republican for a president.

Due to pressure from Evangelicals, I believe Powell may move to the Right on the abortion issue, if even slightly.
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2011, 07:12:31 PM »

Probably like Guiliani, he will be "fine" with Roe staying or going.
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2011, 10:43:19 PM »

The problem with Powell and Kemp on the same ticket is they are both from the same state, New York.

Powell would have had a good chance of being elected President in 2000 with no incumbent running.
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2011, 10:45:57 PM »

The problem with Powell and Kemp on the same ticket is they are both from the same state, New York.

Powell would have had a good chance of being elected President in 2000 with no incumbent running.

I read somewhere that Kemp was Maryland resident in 1996, but I checked back and he was indeed registered in NY.
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2011, 10:51:45 PM »

The problem with Powell and Kemp on the same ticket is they are both from the same state, New York.

Powell would have had a good chance of being elected President in 2000 with no incumbent running.

I haven't researched this, but isn't Powell PA?
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2011, 10:55:07 PM »

No, he's NY.
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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2011, 10:57:08 PM »

Then the only way it could work was pulling Cheney (Kemp registering outside of NY).
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2011, 11:58:36 PM »

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Electoral College under the Twelfth Amendment
 
Twelfth Amendment in the National ArchivesThe Twelfth Amendment changed the process whereby a President and a Vice President are elected. It did not change the composition of the Electoral College. It has applied to Presidential elections since 1804.

Under the Twelfth Amendment, each elector must cast distinct votes for President and Vice President, instead of two votes for President. Pursuant to the amendment's Habitation Clause, an elector may not vote for both candidates of a presidential ticket if both candidates inhabit the elector's state.

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2011, 12:00:21 AM »

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Electoral College under the Twelfth Amendment
 
Twelfth Amendment in the National ArchivesThe Twelfth Amendment changed the process whereby a President and a Vice President are elected. It did not change the composition of the Electoral College. It has applied to Presidential elections since 1804.

Under the Twelfth Amendment, each elector must cast distinct votes for President and Vice President, instead of two votes for President. Pursuant to the amendment's Habitation Clause, an elector may not vote for both candidates of a presidential ticket if both candidates inhabit the elector's state.



Still, you can pull off Cheney, who was a Texas resident in 2000 (same as Bush), and, upon being selected simply changed his residency back to Wyoming.
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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011, 12:46:50 AM »

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Electoral College under the Twelfth Amendment
 
Twelfth Amendment in the National ArchivesThe Twelfth Amendment changed the process whereby a President and a Vice President are elected. It did not change the composition of the Electoral College. It has applied to Presidential elections since 1804.

Under the Twelfth Amendment, each elector must cast distinct votes for President and Vice President, instead of two votes for President. Pursuant to the amendment's Habitation Clause, an elector may not vote for both candidates of a presidential ticket if both candidates inhabit the elector's state.



Still, you can pull off Cheney, who was a Texas resident in 2000 (same as Bush), and, upon being selected simply changed his residency back to Wyoming.

Yes, of course he could pull a Cheney and register in another state.  That is not in question.

However, when doing so, one must take into considertion the residency requirements and the requirements one must meet in order to run for public office in that particular state, e.g. property ownership.

The Cheney case of changing registration from Texas to Wyoming was not without controversy.
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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2011, 12:59:37 AM »

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Electoral College under the Twelfth Amendment
 
Twelfth Amendment in the National ArchivesThe Twelfth Amendment changed the process whereby a President and a Vice President are elected. It did not change the composition of the Electoral College. It has applied to Presidential elections since 1804.

Under the Twelfth Amendment, each elector must cast distinct votes for President and Vice President, instead of two votes for President. Pursuant to the amendment's Habitation Clause, an elector may not vote for both candidates of a presidential ticket if both candidates inhabit the elector's state.



Still, you can pull off Cheney, who was a Texas resident in 2000 (same as Bush), and, upon being selected simply changed his residency back to Wyoming.

Yes, of course he could pull a Cheney and register in another state.  That is not in question.

However, when doing so, one must take into considertion the residency requirements and the requirements one must meet in order to run for public office in that particular state, e.g. property ownership.

The Cheney case of changing registration from Texas to Wyoming was not without controversy.

Since residency requirements are varying from state to state, that would be even more controversial.

Also, I don't think Powell would pick Kemp after all. Kemp balanced well Dole, but Powell would need someone else to do the same. Jack was, at one hand, a "Bleeding heart conservative", but still was considered by some as "too moderate", due to his strong libertarian leanings. Powell would need a strong conservative, but of course credible.
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2011, 07:42:00 PM »

I agree that Powell would not pick Kemp.  He would most likely go for a credible, experienced, conservative leaning Senator, or possibly Governor.
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