Devolved Leadership Elections

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I just liked the idea of the title.

Anyways, in the aftermath of the devolved elections in Scotland and Wales there will be many leadership elections...

*Scottish Labour (resignation of Gray following an electoral campaign that was significantly more incompetent than 1983).

*Scottish Tories (resignation of Goldie following a failure to stop the bleeding)

*Scottish LibDems (resignation of Scott following the Armageddon)

*Welsh Tories (defeat of Bourne as a result of his inability to calculate basic odds)

*Plaid Cymru (future resignation of IWJ following the Plaid's worst result in the history of the National Assembly)

...and, frankly, most of these would get no attention on their own.

[You kip if you want to...]

Can anyone give a brief run down of the candidates for ScotsLab? I'm hearing Jackie Baillie would be a horrific choice...

[afleitch]

For the record I voted:

1. Ruth
2. Murdo
3. Mitchell
4. Car-lot Carlaw

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

The regions! the exciting part of the UK!

[Harry Hayfield]

I just liked the idea of the title.

Anyways, in the aftermath of the devolved elections in Scotland and Wales there will be many leadership elections...
*Plaid Cymru (future resignation of IWJ following the Plaid's worst result in the history of the National Assembly)

The vote will be held two days before the Plaid conference ahead of the local elections (in March) and Elin Jones AM (Plaid, Ceredigion) is the only declared candidate

[Andrea]

Scottish Labour leadership race has officially started
Nominations process close on Friday. Contenders for Leadership and Deputy Leadership need 10 signatures (including their own) with at least one nomination coming from two of the three groups of Scottish parliamentarians (Europe, Westminster, Holyrood).

There're 3 declared candidates for the leadership: Kan MacIntosh MSP, Johann Lamont MSP and Tom Harris MP.
Newspapers reported all of them have the 10 names required (even if Harris seems not to have got a single MSP to back him).

There are 4 candidates for the Deputy Leadership position: Anas Sarwar MP, Ian Davidson MP, Lewis MacDonald MSP and Eleine Murray MSP.
Sarwar already got 11 nominations in yesterday. I don't know if all the remaining 3 will manage to get them. Davidson is currently embroiled in an argument with SNP (he accused an SNP to leak Committee reports to the media, she has accused him to have threatened her, LD/Con committee members said it was just a robust political argument, she is refusing to return to committee's work; an SNP MSP's researcher sent out an email about his alleged past bullying history, he's consulting his lawyers. And that's it so far)

[You kip if you want to...]

There're 3 declared candidates for the leadership: Kan MacIntosh MSP, Johann Lamont MSP and Tom Harris MP.

oooooh, i'm spoilt for choice.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

NotHarris for Leader!

[You kip if you want to...]

Imagine the state of ScotsLab is Scotland actually did seceed...

[Andrea]

Day II of nominations for SLAB leader/deputy leader

Lamont nominated by Jackie Baillie MSP, Richard Baker MSP, Claudia Beamish MSP, Malcolm Chisholm MSP, James Kelly MSP, Hanzala Malik MSP, Paul Martin MSP, Siobhan McMahon MSP, Duncan McNeil MSP, John Pentland MSP, Drew Smith MSP, Dave Stewart MSP, Cathy Jamieson MP, Fiona O'Donnell MP

MacIntosh nominated by Claire Baker MSP, Neil Bibby MSP, Kezia Dugdale MSP, Mary Fee MSP, Mark Griffin MSP, Jenny Marra MSP, Michael McMahon MSP, Willie Bain MP, Russell Brown MP, Brian Donohoe MP, Mark Lazarowicz MP

Harris nominated by Tom Harris MP, Anne Begg MP

Deputy hopefuls

Sarwar nominated by Jackie Baillie MSP,  Claudia Beamish MSP, James Kelly MSP, Hanzala Malik MSP, Paul Martin MSP, Siobhan McMahon MSP, Duncan McNeil MSP, Drew Smith MSP, Kezia Dugdale MSP, Jenny Marra MSP, Michael McMahon MSP, Cathy Jamieson MSP, Fiona O'Donnell MP, Willie Bain MP, Mark Lazarowicz MP, Jim Hood MP

McDonald nominated by Richard Baker MSP, Dave Stewart MSP, Mary Fee MSP, Lewis Macdonald MSP and Anne Begg MP

Murray nominated by Eleine Murray MSP, Malcolm Chisholm MSP and Russel Brown MP

Davidson nominated by Brian Donohoe MP

[You kip if you want to...]

Whoever gets Jim Murphy's endorsement will win.

[Andrea]

Whoever gets Jim Murphy's endorsement will win.

Macintosh has it. They represent the same area.
Curran declared for Lamont before being appointed Shadow Scottish Secretary.

[minionofmidas]

NotHarris for Leader!

Obviously... though the other two also seem like tools.

[Leftbehind]

Any left-wingers?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Any left-wingers?

Lamont would be the most leftish of the candidates, unless I'm misremembering things greatly.

[Andrea]

SLAB nominations update - Day 3

Lamont currently has 15 MSPs + 6 MPs
Macintosh has 11 MSPs + 6 MPs + 1 MEP
Harris has 4 MPs + 1 MEP

Sarwar has 14 MSPs + 8 MPs + 1 MEP
Davidson has 1 MSP + 8 MPs + 1 MEP
MacDonald has 7 MSPs + 2 MPs
Murray has 3 MSPs + 1 MP

So Davidson reaches the ballot, MacDonald is almost there while Murray needs to push stronger in the corridors in the next 2 days.

[afleitch]

Anas Sarwar will get the deputyship if the Glasgow party machine get's it's way.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Anas Sarwar will get the deputyship if the Glasgow party machine get's it's way.

Glasgow does have one of the larger concentrations of Party members in Scotland, and not just because it's also the largest city (even if the two eastern CLPs have fairly small memberships).

[afleitch]

Anas Sarwar will get the deputyship if the Glasgow party machine get's it's way.

Glasgow does have one of the larger concentrations of Party members in Scotland, and not just because it's also the largest city (even if the two eastern CLPs have fairly small memberships).

It's also been hemorrhaging members over the past month as Labour culled popular councillors in selection meetings to bolster Sarwar allies. Talks of those ousted standing as Ind Labour, which is of course less of a threat to Labour in a transfer system of voting.

[Leftbehind]

Any left-wingers?

Lamont would be the most leftish of the candidates, unless I'm misremembering things greatly.

Read on wiki one of Macintosh's policies is renationalise Scottish public transport (both rail and buses)? Seems pretty left when compared to the UK Labour's dogmatically neoliberal stances. An actually appealing policy as well!

[Andrea]

Murphy has officially nominated Macintosh for Leader
Dougie Alexander has nominated Sarwar for Deputy (no nomination for leader so far)

Eleine Murray has withdraw and gave her nomination to MacDonald who is now on the ballot.
New totals:

Lamont:  18 MSPs and 6 MPs
Macintosh: 13 MSPs, 7 MPs and 1 MEP
Harris: 8 MPs and 1 MEP


Sarwar:  15 MSPs, 13 MPs, 1 MEP
MacDonald: 10 MSPs and 2 MPs
Davidson: 2 MSPs, 8 MPs and 1 MEP

On campaign managers front, Paul Martin is managing Lamont's campaign, Michael McMahon is working Macintosh's campaign and Cathy Jamieson is the campaign director for Sarwar.

Tomorrow we will know the new ScotCon leader and if we have to learn a new party name.

[You kip if you want to...]

Are the electoral system for Lab (Electoral college of MPs, MSPs and MEPs/members/unions) and Con (Various round by MSPs, then the final two voted on my members) used for ScotsLab and ScotsCon?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The same basic system is used for devolved Labour leadership elections, yeah. Of course they've just changed a lot of things to do with the organisation of the Scottish Party, though I don't remember this being one of them.

[Andrea]

Yes, ScotLab electoral system wasn't changed

I think ScotCon use AV among the whole membership

[Smid]

I think ScotCon use AV among the whole membership

Hmmm... so AV is good for use by Conservatives, but not good for use by the wider community?