Osama bin Laden dead (Official)

[anvi]

Just a comment on to back up what's been said about former Pakistani president Musharraf.  He is an asshat.  Pakistani "sovereignty" is a joke, they ceded great portions of the frontier to the Taliban and al-Qaeda sympathizers, and they knew full damn well where bin Laden was holed up.  If we had given advanced notice to the Pakistani government before the raid, somebody in the ISS would have tipped off the people in the compound and it would have been empty by the time the special ops team got there.  And, besides, when the raid went down, the Abadabad police and ISS units present wisely did not interfere.  Those guys in Islamabad are sandwiched between hostile Talibani and Afghan forces on one side and relatively hostile India on the other, and they're quite frankly not in a position to do lots of bitching.  By making that dumb-ass comment, Musharraf is playing to the nutbags in Pakistan, aforementioned asshat that he is.

[Insula Dei]

Yay, Bin Laden is dead, good news and all that.

But to whoever said they also would celebrate if someone who killed 3000 non-Americans would die, good luck with posting your celebration here the day W kicks the bucket. Just sayin'

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

An interesting account of a guy who unknowingly Tweeted about the raid on Bin Laden's compound: http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/05/02/osama.twitter.reports/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

CNN is reporting they've already burried Bin Laden at sea.

I assume this was done so that his burial ground doesn't become a magnet for nutjobs from all over the Muslim world.

Just like Adolf Eichmann then.

[Sbane]

Excellent news and Bin laden thoroughly deserved it. Probably got off too lightly tbh. And if I was still at college, I would have partied my ass off too. Nothing wrong with celebrating his death. Btw he killed a lot of non-Americans too so those of you not comfortable with any patriotism can take comfort in that.

I also dont care one bit we violated pakistans soveirgnty. If they behaved like a normal country it wouldn't be necessary. America shouldn't put up with any of their bullsh**t. If we know there is a terrorist being harbored in that country we should go in and get him. Trusting the pakistanis to get him would be a grave mistake.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Excellent news and Bin laden thoroughly deserved it. Probably got off too lightly tbh.

(Younger posters probably won't get the reference.)

[Reaganfan]

Samuel L. Jackson. Nice.

[Dgov]

Excellent news and Bin laden thoroughly deserved it. Probably got off too lightly tbh.

(Younger posters probably won't get the reference.)

A Time to Kill.  Great Movie

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

I hate it. He is just horrible. He being obama.

How so?

Well I really hate it when people use patriotism as a licence to kill. Our people? you kidding me? The only thing that makes us American is us just saying we are. nothing else. I find is dishonest. It makes me want to vomit when he pulls a card like that. Be honest and keep the facts clean. And stop brainwashing us into thinking we are one when we dont even know half of the people living in America. yuck!

What's the point of having a country then?  Or the point of unity?  Or of patriotism all in of itself?

there is a point. But it is merely to make social connections. But it should never be used to end someones life and to make to seem that is ok. That makes me mad. A life is a life, and to make us think that because we are 'Americans' we have to right to kill someone despite what they have done, and are 'defending our people' is crap. There is no need to lie. If you are going to kill someone it should be because he has killed many people. Not because he killed Americans. Had they not been Americans obama would not give a sh**t.

And which one do you think matters more to the Americans?  That he killed Americans or that he killed people?  As you said, we do not know half the country itself, but I think it is safe to say that more than half care about the death of Americans than the death of people as a whole.

I disagree. I care far more when patriotism is out of the question. Honestly, i care more about people dying period. Not Americans. And it is rather low to party over someone dying! no matter what it is just rude. If justice is served already there is not need to dance about in the streets. Partying makes the theory of justice just dissolve away. There is no justice. Man i despise people right now.

I can appreciate where your coming from. I don't like to see people jubiliant over anyone's death, but really it is understandable, when you consider how he did set out to kill Americans, so Osama made himself the enemy of all Americans.  He has been the focus of people's hurt over the attacks on 9/11 and fears of another attack, so this feels like a relief, though I don't know how much it will make people safer. I do hope no innocent people died in the attack, but sadly it's likely someone did.

Well you see take out Americans and then I will take this as a matter for humanity. But as of the fact that you yourself are using americans as a group, as a whole, I shall not. And if you think that him dying will help us you are wrong! He has a man in charge incase anything happens to him. And this partying will only fuel that fire as well, thereby subjecting humans to more casualties when they attack again.  But no one thinks about that. No one sees how much more harm this partying is doing. And attacks will increase. They will probably go for DC now. And will most likely succeed.
And to be the enemy of all americans? rly? That is effed up. everyone around the world should be upset that this is happening period. Even people in china and India. But i presume that these attacks increased with us merely occupying them.

Badger:
Celebration my ass. I dont care if justice was served. When someone dies you simply don't party. Do you not know that this will add fuel to the fire? We are no where near done. Yes he should die, I agree with that seniment, but my reason differs from most people. If your reason is nationalistic I would disagree. If it is purely on the fact that he has killed someone then yes, we agree. But it is important to notice the difference between the two different reasons.

Good morning, Anya. My reasons are a cross. Yes, I will proudly say that patriotism is a part of it, but at least or as much is simply the fact one of the greatest mass murderers in the last decade was killed. I would feel similar if he'd killed 3000 non-Americans. The fact he struck home though makes it all the stronger.

I don't deny my patriotism, and am proud of it. The difference is between a knee jerk "my country right or wrong" nationalism which I believe has led us to the worse moments in our history, vs. feeling pride in our country when it does something indeed celebration worthy like last night.

The fact that he struck your 'home' should not make it stronger.  Why should it? does terror and pain for others only go to a certain extent basided on distance? Do families suffer less based on how far they are off american land? To celebrate a death is just wrong. Yes, he deserved his ending. But no, you should not party in the streets like morons because Our country got him. Our country didn't get him. Certain people in the military got him, not out country. They just happen to have a liscense to kill with the flag on behind them.  To be happy one guy has paid for his crime is one thing. it binge drink to it like everything is good now is just rude. I know what you are saying I do. I get it I simply don't agree. Empathy for everyone should be the same for everyone around the world, not just at home. Space and time compression makes it far easier to do that. Yet, most people only care when it is here. I must say, I am very happy he is dead, despite him being quite handsome. But I am happy for a different reason. It has nothing to do with america. It has to do with people. A little change like that.  But since I can merely state myself over and over again for a little while before I grow tired, i suggest we just agree to disagree. Besides, I will be the only one in the class who isnt nationalistic today will will prnbably punch a guy who is a prick. So i have to go get ready for being suspended. Have a good day.

Anya: Of course it makes it stronger and naturally so. There are many, many people who suffered far, FAR worse than me on that day by far. My memories of that day hit home nonetheless. I have a sister who worked in the Financial District. She was fine, but her stories of watching the Towers collapse from her window, and trying to calm a hysterical co-worker sobbing under her desk because her fiance worked at WTC--but survived, thank God--are harrowing. She lost her faith in God that day from the death she watched, and not sure if she ever recovered it. I had a long term girlfriend who worked for the government in Alexandria. I'd confused it with Arlington at the time, but that didn't make it any less harrowing a morning till we touched base. I have a father who at the time flew on USAir all the time out of Pittsburgh, and I didn't know for sometime where the plane in Shanksville, PA had flown out of---only that it was not too far out of Pgh International. Then there's the WTC: Beautiful---I'll never forget their view, or their majesty.

So yes, I didn't suffer directly the way many did, but it hurt---badly---and not just because I'm an American. Most of us wept over our grandparent's death, but do we weep equally for every grandparent we read about dying in the obits? Of course not, because the loss is more personal. The same applies here, even if I don't (fortunately) know anyone directly killed or injured in 9/11.

Try at least not to ruin your own day by getting suspended, eh? If you are so against violence being justified by nationalism, punching someone in the name of anti-nationalism hardly proves a point.

What is natural does not make it right. I get what you are saying. I am no Bin Laden sympathizer But if this happen in china my feelings about it should be just as strong. No matter where it has happened. There is no little piece of DNA that ties us all together stamping us americans. But there are stamping us human.  So it is rather silly to say that just because it is in america it is more personal. I just feel that weather it is an american or someone in china is doesnt change the level of wrongness. And it should not change the level of rage you have.  

true. I suppose I should simply just skip the class. far better for my fist to.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I hop he was shot in the crotch so someone can make an Inglorious Basterds reference (Like "Say *goodbye in Arabic* to your jihadist balls!")

[Lambsbread]

Excellent news and Bin laden thoroughly deserved it. Probably got off too lightly tbh.

(Younger posters probably won't get the reference.)

A Time To Kill? Samuel L. Jackson...-chuckles-...classic.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

is part of this thread debating whether it was right to kill Osama?! "Thou shall not kill [mass murderers]" type of stuff?

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

is part of this thread debating whether it was right to kill Osama?! "Thou shall not kill [mass murderers]" type of stuff?

no. it is about the reason to reason him. He is to be killed. both sides agree on that. But we differ on the excuse used to have the right to kill him.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What I hope Obama said before the team went in: "That's it! I've had it with these motherf**king terrorists in this motherf**king country!"

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

is part of this thread debating whether it was right to kill Osama?! "Thou shall not kill [mass murderers]" type of stuff?

no. it is about the reason to reason him. He is to be killed. both sides agree on that. But we differ on the excuse used to have the right to kill him.

who needs an excuse? the guy is a terrorist and an active and  sworn enemy to those living out their lives in freedom.

[Sbane]

is part of this thread debating whether it was right to kill Osama?! "Thou shall not kill [mass murderers]" type of stuff?

no. it is about the reason to reason him. He is to be killed. both sides agree on that. But we differ on the excuse used to have the right to kill him.

He was a mass murderer. He deserved to be captured or killed. It doesn't even matter who he murdered, whether they were Americans or not. He was a mass murderer, end of story.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

is part of this thread debating whether it was right to kill Osama?! "Thou shall not kill [mass murderers]" type of stuff?

no. it is about the reason to reason him. He is to be killed. both sides agree on that. But we differ on the excuse used to have the right to kill him.

He was a mass murderer. He deserved to be captured or killed. It doesn't even matter who he murdered, whether they were Americans or not. He was a mass murderer, end of story.

see  i agree with that. but i dont agree with people only getting mad because he killed americans. Here the reason they are mad is because they hurt americans. not because he hurt people. notice the difference?

[Lambsbread]

YESSSSSSS!
This Bin Laden is no more, he has ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker! This is a late Bin Laden He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he'd be pushing up the daisies! He's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This is an ex-Bin Laden!
USA USA

FILM CRITIC. THE ROOM.

[JohnnyLongtorso]

The reports of Bin Laden going down with machine gun in hand makes me think of one thing and one thing only:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6L8NFcMakk

[Joe Biden 2020]

I just read on the bottom ticker on the CNN screen that the woman being used as a shield was apparently Bin Laden's wife.  His son is also among the dead.

[minionofmidas]

One of his sons. He has many.

[Joe Biden 2020]

One of his sons. He has many.

He now has one less son.  So does Gadhafi.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

is part of this thread debating whether it was right to kill Osama?! "Thou shall not kill [mass murderers]" type of stuff?

no. it is about the reason to reason him. He is to be killed. both sides agree on that. But we differ on the excuse used to have the right to kill him.

He was a mass murderer. He deserved to be captured or killed. It doesn't even matter who he murdered, whether they were Americans or not. He was a mass murderer, end of story.

see  i agree with that. but i dont agree with people only getting mad because he killed americans. Here the reason they are mad is because they hurt americans. not because he hurt people. notice the difference?

I think most people hate him because he killed people in general... doesn't matter if it was Americans, British, Japanese, or whatever.  But, having Americans killed gives the American government a vested interest in killing him.  If no Americans had died becaues of bin Laden, Pakistan might not have looked too kindly on us just swooping into their country to kill somebody who had never harmed us.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

One of his sons. He has many.

He now has one less son.  So does Gadhafi.

That doesn't sound so Christian.......are your parents and church bretheren happy too?

[minionofmidas]

That makes little sense (in Bin Laden's case). Seeing as his son is no more dead than he himself is.
I just looked it up, and Bin Laden has had 24 children from five marriages (one divorced - never more than four at a time). 11 from his first marriage, four from the divorced one, didn't give details on the others.
The oldest would be in their thirties, the youngest would be under ten.