pro-Palestinian murdered by pro-Palestinian group, which pisses off Hamas

[dead0man]

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...and as one would expect, according to Hamas, it's all Israel's fault.  link

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[Gustaf]

I can't say I feel that sorry for the guy. He kind of made his own bed.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I can't say I feel that sorry for the guy. He kind of made his own bed.

Would you say the same thing about a murdered radical Zionist activist?

[Insula Dei]

This is a very sad story of course. Also, the PR damage to Hamas is rather sizeable, I imagine.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Extremism : the idea that anyone who isn't exactly like you is a horrendous being who deserves to be killed.

[Gustaf]

I can't say I feel that sorry for the guy. He kind of made his own bed.

Would you say the same thing about a murdered radical Zionist activist?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly. If, say, a Swedish guy went to Israel to support the Israeli government and the Israeli government executed him, yeah. Of course, that wouldn't happen.

If you decide to support the bad guys because you're an idiot and they turn out to be so bad they murder you, I must admit to having a hard time gathering up any sympathy for you.

[ag]

If, say, a Swedish guy went to Israel to support the Israeli government and the Israeli government executed him, yeah. .

So, do you believe Israeli government to be a minor Jewish extremist organization, on the run from the authorities? I thought it's long been past that stage ))

Honestly, I think of all the people on these boards you are the one most prone to say something that would then horrify yourself ))) The more I am observing you, the more I am convinced, you'd be scared of your own refletion in a mirror.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I can't say I feel that sorry for the guy. He kind of made his own bed.

Would you say the same thing about a murdered radical Zionist activist?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly. If, say, a Swedish guy went to Israel to support the Israeli government and the Israeli government executed him, yeah. Of course, that wouldn't happen.

No, more like if they went to support some Kahanist type organization and was murdered by another Zionist.

[Gustaf]

If, say, a Swedish guy went to Israel to support the Israeli government and the Israeli government executed him, yeah. .

So, do you believe Israeli government to be a minor Jewish extremist organization, on the run from the authorities? I thought it's long been past that stage ))

Honestly, I think of all the people on these boards you are the one most prone to say something that would then horrify yourself ))) The more I am observing you, the more I am convinced, you'd be scared of your own refletion in a mirror.

Eh...no, I don't believe that. That's why I followed my comment by saying that it wouldn't happen.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly smear me as some sort of evil, horrible person just because I disagree with you on certain policy issues or certain framings of issues. It's cheap and unbecoming. I've no problem with my views, nor do I have any views I want to hide. You honestly strike me as extremely uncomfortable with your own views since you cannot defend them in any way than by suggesting that those who disagree with you are secretly longing for a second Holocaust.

Hamas, of course, is an extremist organization on the run from the authorities (unless you count Hamas itself as it, which one may do in Gaza, I suppose). If your point is that he was supporting, say, Hamas and not this organization I suppose that's a fair point. My thinking was more that this guy would probably be very critical of Israel for not wanting to cooperate or negotiate with Hamas or for building their security fence and so on. His fate sort of illustrates why they're doing all that though.

Another way of putting it as that this guy was, most likely, offering the Palestinians the best deal imaginable and he was still killed.

It is true that my reasoning is based on the premise that Hamas are not all that much better than the organization that got him or alternatively that that organization is at least somewhat representative of problems on the Palestinian side of the conflict. If you disagree there it obviously won't hold.

[Gustaf]

I can't say I feel that sorry for the guy. He kind of made his own bed.

Would you say the same thing about a murdered radical Zionist activist?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly. If, say, a Swedish guy went to Israel to support the Israeli government and the Israeli government executed him, yeah. Of course, that wouldn't happen.

No, more like if they went to support some Kahanist type organization and was murdered by another Zionist.

Who was he trying to support? I assumed Hamas, which would correspond to the Israeli government.

But, yeah, if he went to Israel to, I don't know, help the most extremist of the settler groups to increase their land so as to realize the dream of a Great Israel including all of Jordan or something and they killed him I suppose it would be more or less the same thing. But then I would feel more or less the same way.

My point here was really just that it says a lot about a side how they treat their friends. Everyone treat their enemies badly but when not even people supporting you can avoid getting killed it's quite significant. Sort of how the Soviet Union's treatment of workers who went there to live in the workers' paradise is indicative of what a bad system that was.