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« on: March 22, 2011, 05:12:43 PM »
Where were all of you during the Darfur genocide? Or is this a silly question?
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2011, 05:20:03 PM »
I was not voting for Obama.  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2011, 05:56:44 PM »
Logistically, it is a lot simpler to intervene in Libya than in Darfur.

Also, Gadaffi lost the support of the Arab League (if he ever had it), while al-Bashir never did.  I doubt that without the political cover that Arab League gave that anyone would have intervened against Gadaffi, not even Sarkozy.
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 06:06:46 PM »
Of course we should have done this in Darfur, too.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2011, 06:19:06 PM »
I would have supported a similar measure in Darfur.
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2011, 06:21:48 PM »
Bashir always had significant regional support, but a no-fly zone in Libya would never have gotten up without both AL and UNSC support.

The circumstances are different, I believed in intervention in Darfur.
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2011, 06:39:51 PM »
Quote from: Gustaf on March 22, 2011, 06:19:06 PM
I would have supported a similar measure in Darfur.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 07:01:17 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2011, 07:12:24 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2011, 08:38:53 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2011, 11:28:26 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2011, 03:23:58 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2011, 06:20:03 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2011, 12:01:38 PM »
I support the creation of an Independent Force to protect civilians against war crimes around the world.

Also, if you're interested in that game, you can make a lot, other interesting one:

What about a no fly zone at the end of December 2008, beginning of January 2009 over Gaza strip?

I'd support.

Oh indeed, all those measures should come with diplomatic efforts before, but the point of some diplomatic efforts can also be to say: 'If you continue, beware'.

That's why the principle of an Independent Force to protect civilians from war crimes would be finner than some states, since it would be politically independent, its only point would be to react to some crimes, just like some firemen intervene against a fire.

Technically it would make a brainstorming for the building of such force and the establishment of its limits, but that may be worth wondering.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2011, 01:16:26 PM »
Quote from: Ben Wahlah' on March 23, 2011, 12:01:38 PM
I support the creation of an Independent Force to protect civilians against war crimes around the world.

Also, if you're interested in that game, you can make a lot, other interesting one:

What about a no fly zone at the end of December 2008, beginning of January 2009 over Gaza strip?

I'd support.

Oh indeed, all those measures should come with diplomatic efforts before, but the point of some diplomatic efforts can also be to say: 'If you continue, beware'.

That's why the principle of an Independent Force to protect civilians from war crimes would be finner than some states, since it would be politically independent, its only point would be to react to some crimes, just like some firemen intervene against a fire.

Technically it would make a brainstorming for the building of such force and the establishment of its limits, but that may be worth wondering.

It sounds nice in theory but I have a feeling it would end up being dominated by the same governments that voted Libya on the human rights council.
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2011, 01:56:22 PM »
Be careful Bgwah, I think you are not allowed to oppose this war in any vehement terms whatsoever upon this forum.  It is dangerous to your life-points.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2011, 02:19:49 PM »
Quote from: opebo on March 23, 2011, 01:56:22 PM
Be careful Bgwah, I think you are not allowed to oppose this war in any vehement terms whatsoever upon this forum.  It is dangerous to your life-points.

Please, at least given the situation spare us from playing the role of the oppressed rebel.
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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2011, 05:22:12 PM »
I'd probably be one of the few people who actually supported intervening there at any point. It's the "cool" thing to support now though with a lot of people.
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2011, 11:28:14 PM »
bgwah, what is your theory exactly?
the presence of oil somewhere in itself explains nothing.
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2011, 11:55:15 PM »
Nirvana fallacy
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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2011, 11:57:16 PM »

He prefers Alice in Chains to Nirvana, anyway.
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2011, 12:05:41 AM »

Oh cute, you've been browsing Wikipedia again. Perhaps if I said "Why didn't we intervene in China in 1989" you would be correct.... But, oh, nevermind that. Yes, Zazzles, you're very smart! Here's a cookie.
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2011, 04:36:03 AM »
You don't think Libya being small, flat and having received a ton of media attention might have something to do with it as well?

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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2011, 05:12:42 AM »
Quote from: Senator Antonio V on March 23, 2011, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: opebo on March 23, 2011, 01:56:22 PM
Be careful Bgwah, I think you are not allowed to oppose this war in any vehement terms whatsoever upon this forum.  It is dangerous to your life-points.

Please, at least given the situation spare us from playing the role of the oppressed rebel.

You're using the less appropriate analogy - in this situation I am the oppressed Gaddafi.
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2011, 08:49:53 AM »
If you want a cynical explanation for the intervention in Libya, there may be better things to look at. Such as its geographical closeness to certain EU member states. There's also been speculation about Sarkozy being motivated by a different set of domestic political calculations. And so on.

Not that whataboutery should ever be used as a substitute for an argument.
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