milton county, georgia

[freepcrusher]

does anyone know how this county would vote if it still existed? Its currently part of Fulton county. Fulton county is a strong dem county and even Mondale won it. But it seems that the area that would be in Milton County doesn't have as many blacks and probably less democratic. I wouldn't be surprised if McCain won it or at least came close to.

[Verily]

At least 60% McCain, I'm sure. Possibly as much as 70%.

[RI]

The area today that was Milton County is about 78% white. I'd imagine it would vote similarly to Forsyth County, if perhaps a tad more Democratic.

[Verily]

The area today that was Milton County is about 78% white. I'd imagine it would vote similarly to Forsyth County, if perhaps a tad more Democratic.

Forsyth is 95% white, so not quite that extreme. But that's the right idea. (OTOH, Hall County is only 80% white, including some Hispanic whites as it is 19% Hispanic and 7% black, so maybe.)

[Nhoj]

The area today that was Milton County is about 78% white. I'd imagine it would vote similarly to Forsyth County, if perhaps a tad more Democratic.

Forsyth is 95% white, so not quite that extreme. But that's the right idea. (OTOH, Hall County is only 80% white, including some Hispanic whites as it is 19% Hispanic and 7% black, so maybe.)

the 09 estimates [not the acs ones just the regular ones] have Forsyth at about 81% non Hispanic white 89% if you include Hispanics.

[Dgov]

Yeah I'd say probably around 2:1 McCain, and maybe a bit more.  Not quite as Republican as some of the other suburban Atlanta counties, but still solid Republican.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The area today that was Milton County is about 78% white. I'd imagine it would vote similarly to Forsyth County, if perhaps a tad more Democratic.

Forsyth is 95% white, so not quite that extreme. But that's the right idea. (OTOH, Hall County is only 80% white, including some Hispanic whites as it is 19% Hispanic and 7% black, so maybe.)

You can basically disregard the Hispanics in that area when talking about voting, turnout is horrendous even by heavily Hispanic areas' standards.

[freepcrusher]

so without Milton County, how would Fulton County vote? Is it possible Obama would have gotten into the low 80s if Fulton County didn't include Milton?

[Bacon King]

Milton would vote like Forsyth, "Rump" Fulton would vote like Dekalb.

Interestingly enough, there's been a lot of talk about Milton seperating lately; the new speaker pro-tem is pushing hard for it. The GOP's a few votes short of a supermajority to pass it, though.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Now thanks to DRA having partisan data for Georgia, we have an answer to the question:

McCain 63.7%
Obama 35.3%

It's everything northeast of Sandy Springs right? If so above is the answer. Fulton County would then be 77% Obama.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Interestingly Atlanta would be only marginally more Democratic than Fulton minus Milton, due to southern Fulton including the unincorporated parts being overwhelmingly black in most places and the northern half of Atlanta being pretty white (though there is actually a significant population of white liberals there based on the election results, probably the only such places in Georgia outside of Athens and maybe somewhere in Savannah.)

Georgia is weird. One of only two states where blacks like ugly sprawly suburbia as much as whites do.

[krazen1211]

Wouldn't Georgia have to dissolve or merge some other 2 counties in order to make it work without an amendment?

Can't blame them. Milton County is tired of its tax revenue being funnelled elsewhere.

[freepcrusher]

Can't blame them. Milton County is tired of its tax revenue being funnelled elsewhere.

I would probably call this racist, but on the other hand people will probably come to krazen's defense saying that I'm trying to stir up trouble or someone will say that white liberals are the real racists.

[krazen1211]

Can't blame them. Milton County is tired of its tax revenue being funnelled elsewhere.

I would probably call this racist, but on the other hand people will probably come to krazen's defense saying that I'm trying to stir up trouble or someone will say that white liberals are the real racists.

I think you're confused on 2 counts, champ. GA-06 has an average income about $30k higher than GA-05, and of course has a sizable and increasing minority population. The incorporation of Sandy Springs  if I recall passed with over 90% with support of all races.

[Bacon King]

It's everything northeast of Sandy Springs right?

If Milton County were to be refounded, I'm certain it would include Sandy Springs. They're the wealthiest zip code in the state (9th wealthiest in the nation) and have had more scuffles with the Fulton County government than anybody else up there.

The incorporation of Sandy Springs if I recall passed with over 90% with support of all races.

It passed with 94% of the vote, but I don't think you can argue "the support of all races" bit based on that, considering it was a low-turnout off-year special election in an area that was at the time <10% black or Hispanic.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

With Sandy Springs it'd be 61.1% McCain to 37.9% Obama.

[It’s so Joever]

Oh how times change.

[GALeftist]

Interestingly, and somewhat ironically given all the discussion of tax dollars and whatnot, the only reason Milton is a part of Fulton today is that it was close to bankruptcy after the Great Depression so Fulton had to swoop in. Anyway, it will never become its own county again; the constitution of Georgia has an upper limit on counties and the GOP doesn't have the requisite supermajority to amend it. Which is a good thing, too, because the cityhood movement has already done enough damage to our county governments without people segregating themselves into different counties. But yes, McCain would have definitely won it by quite a lot.

[Sol]

Interestingly, and somewhat ironically given all the discussion of tax dollars and whatnot, the only reason Milton is a part of Fulton today is that it was close to bankruptcy after the Great Depression so Fulton had to swoop in. Anyway, it will never become its own county again; the constitution of Georgia has an upper limit on counties and the GOP doesn't have the requisite supermajority to amend it. Which is a good thing, too, because the cityhood movement has already done enough damage to our county governments without people segregating themselves into different counties. But yes, McCain would have definitely won it by quite a lot.

If the Dems ever win back in power they should amalgamate Fulton County--would be incredible.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

I actually think Milton would have been a Biden-Perdue county (in the runoff), if I remember correctly.  Loeffler might have carried it too.

The North Atlanta suburbs were the one place where Loeffler and Perdue did significantly better than Trump did.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

I actually think Milton would have been a Biden-Perdue county (in the runoff), if I remember correctly.  Loeffler might have carried it too.

The North Atlanta suburbs were the one place where Loeffler and Perdue did significantly better than Trump did.

Ex-Milton was Biden-Perdue-Warnock but each race wasn't too far from 50-50. If you add in Sandy Springs, it's Biden-Ossoff-Warnock.

[Oryxslayer]

I actually think Milton would have been a Biden-Perdue county (in the runoff), if I remember correctly.  Loeffler might have carried it too.

The North Atlanta suburbs were the one place where Loeffler and Perdue did significantly better than Trump did.

Using the old lines Milton was a Biden-Perdue-Combined GOP by a Hair-McBath County in November, and a Perdue by a hair-Warnock county during the runoff.

If Sandy Springs is included, the county would have flipped blue in 2016 with Cobb and Gwinnett, and not looked back. No major GOP candidate would win such a county after Clinton's victory.

Credit to J. Miles Coleman.

EDIT: looks like I got sniped...

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Oh how times change.

Obama won Elliot county KY 61-39, while losing Milton, GA in 2008.