Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) in critical condition, 6 others killed in Arizona

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

KOLD-TV is reporting that Giffords is currently in surgery - the hospital apparently called the station.

[Gustaf]

The trouble is, it's a reasonable conclusion to leap to (for various reasons) even if it may well be wrong. Violent political language often leads to political violence, though, of course, we don't know whether that was the case here.

That is pure nonsense, whose logical conclusion would lead to a ban on political speech lest someone get hurt.   The only conclusion that is reasonable to leap to is no conclusion at all until all the facts are known.  The shooter could have any motivation or no motivation at all.

How is that the logical conclusion? The logical conclusion might be that politicians shouldn't engage in to hateful rhetoric and that doing so is irresponsible.

Although hate speech legislation does exist for a reason.

[ilikeverin]

NPR now says "There are conflicting reports about whether she was killed."  It seems to be the go-to news source here, so look to see other stations saying the same thing.  Following that random guy on Twitter, apparently there was a sheriff on MSNBC who said she was not dead, but in "very critical condition".

[ajc0918]

KOLD-TV is reporting that Giffords is currently in surgery - the hospital apparently called the station.

She's not dead?

[Beet]

Damn Sam, you are on the ball this afternoon with the most informative links.

[Lief 🗽]

She was shot point-blank in the head. Not to be gruesome or anything, but even if she is still alive at this point...

[Sam Spade]

KOLD-TV is reporting that Giffords is currently in surgery - the hospital apparently called the station.

ugh - headline change again.  NPR, you suck.  You need to be defunded at this rate.

[SvenssonRS]

She was shot point-blank in the head. Not to be gruesome or anything, but even if she is still alive at this point...

That's my thinking, unfortunately. The chances are tragically slim.

[ilikeverin]

Oooh, local news feed.

[ajc0918]

So she's in surgery?

[SvenssonRS]

So she's in surgery?

According to current reports.

[tmthforu94]

This is beyond terrible. I hope the reports that she is still alive are true, and I pray she survives this.

[cinyc]

The trouble is, it's a reasonable conclusion to leap to (for various reasons) even if it may well be wrong. Violent political language often leads to political violence, though, of course, we don't know whether that was the case here.

That is pure nonsense, whose logical conclusion would lead to a ban on political speech lest someone get hurt.   The only conclusion that is reasonable to leap to is no conclusion at all until all the facts are known.  The shooter could have any motivation or no motivation at all.

How is that the logical conclusion? The logical conclusion might be that politicians shouldn't engage in to hateful rhetoric and that doing so is irresponsible.

Although hate speech legislation does exist for a reason.

What politicians are engaging in "hateful rhetoric"?  Why is it always the politicians that the speaker (usually on the left) disagrees with, while those on their own side can speak no "hate"?

Thankfully, there isn't much in the way of hate speech legislation in the US.  Hate speech legislation exists for no reason but to shut up those with whom people in power disagree.  Words don't kill people.

[ilikeverin]

Press conference at 1:30 MST.

[SPQR]

The trouble is, it's a reasonable conclusion to leap to (for various reasons) even if it may well be wrong. Violent political language often leads to political violence, though, of course, we don't know whether that was the case here.

That is pure nonsense, whose logical conclusion would lead to a ban on political speech lest someone get hurt.   The only conclusion that is reasonable to leap to is no conclusion at all until all the facts are known.  The shooter could have any motivation or no motivation at all.

How is that the logical conclusion? The logical conclusion might be that politicians shouldn't engage in to hateful rhetoric and that doing so is irresponsible.

Although hate speech legislation does exist for a reason.

What politicians are engaging in "hateful rhetoric"?  Why is it always the politicians that the speaker (usually on the left) disagrees with, while those on their own side can speak no "hate"?

Thankfully, there isn't much in the way of hate speech legislation in the US.  Hate speech legislation exists for no reason but to shut up those with whom people in power disagree.  Words don't kill people.

That's plain bullsh**t.
Words don't kill people,it's the people that listen to those words that do.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

There are a lot of conflicting reports. I still do hope she's alive.

[cinyc]

There are a lot of conflicting reports. I still do hope she's alive.

Agreed.

[SvenssonRS]

There are a lot of conflicting reports. I still do hope she's alive.

Agreed.

[Thomas D]

This is beyond terrible. I hope the reports that she is still alive are true, and I pray she survives this.

[ilikeverin]

4 dead, 7 injured is the total from KOLD.

[minionofmidas]

RIP. She was incredibly brave to stand by her convictions despite the threat of death.

I'll just put this here:



http://www.alan.com/2010/03/24/palin-puts-gun-sighs-on-target-map-says-ti/

Woah, didn't Nick Rahall do well.

[You kip if you want to...]

NBC reports that one of her aides has died.

[Holmes]

This is unacceptable. Why is this happening in 2011?

[hawkeye59]

I hope she lives.

[You kip if you want to...]

How long until Limbaugh comes out with some sick comment?