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Question: A 2/3 majority required for any tax increase; 3/4 to overturn veto
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« on: November 21, 2004, 02:32:51 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2004, 02:40:12 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2004, 02:45:32 PM »
No way! Sometimes we actually do need to raise taxes, and a 3/4 majority to overturn a veto puts too much power in the hands of the president.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2004, 02:48:02 PM »
But no tax increase is justifiable under the current situation. Just cut spending.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2004, 02:48:43 PM »
Quote from: Minarchist on November 21, 2004, 02:45:32 PM
No way! Sometimes we actually do need to raise taxes, and a 3/4 majority to overturn a veto puts too much power in the hands of the president.

If the tax increases are really needed, a majority will be found.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2004, 02:50:32 PM »
Quote from: Senator Bono on November 21, 2004, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: Minarchist on November 21, 2004, 02:45:32 PM
No way! Sometimes we actually do need to raise taxes, and a 3/4 majority to overturn a veto puts too much power in the hands of the president.

If the tax increases are really needed, a majority will be found.

No a majority won't be found, because the Reps and Dems are too partisan.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2004, 02:51:07 PM »
Only if it were the same for decreases.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2004, 02:51:51 PM »
Quote from: Sheliak5 on November 21, 2004, 02:51:07 PM
Only if it were the same for decreases.

It wouldn't be. Why in the world would anyone want that?
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2004, 05:37:51 PM »
Quote from: Philip on November 21, 2004, 02:51:51 PM
Quote from: Sheliak5 on November 21, 2004, 02:51:07 PM
Only if it were the same for decreases.

It wouldn't be. Why in the world would anyone want that?

Because some people actually care about the future of their country, and realize that a tax cut for them means a tax hike for their children.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2004, 05:48:56 PM »
Except that it doesn't.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2004, 08:27:13 PM »
No way.
Sometimes a tax hike is the only way out of a problem, and some partisans shouldn't be able to kill it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2004, 08:31:23 PM »
That kind of thinking is a problem. The solution is always to cut spending in some wasteful area of government. Abolish the useless Department of Labor, for example.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2004, 08:43:00 PM »
I love the 2/3 majority required for any tax increase.  The 3/4 to overturn veto is to much.
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2004, 08:48:18 PM »
Quote from: JohnG on November 21, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
I love the 2/3 majority required for any tax increase.  The 3/4 to overturn veto is to much.

What else would it be? If it was 2/3, the veto would just seem kinda pointless.
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2004, 09:34:47 PM »
Quote from: Senator Harry on November 21, 2004, 08:27:13 PM
No way.
Sometimes a tax hike is the only way out of a problem, and some partisans shouldn't be able to kill it.

At 18 you probably aren't paying much in income tax and you don't see how much taxes hurt you financially. My hope for you is that some day you become filthy rich so the government can tax you out of your shorts!  :-)

Philips plan is a good idea but you need more than that to restore fiscal responsibility. If you limit their tax revenue the politicians would simply use deficit spending to make up the difference, just like they have been doing for the last 70 years. You would also need to cap borrowing. There is no chance that either the Democrats or Republicans will do these things. They created this situation in the first place and they have no intention of changing anything.
Perhaps some day in the future the people will have a fit of temporary sanity and vote Libertarian. Then possibly those things could happen. Otherwise there is no chance.
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2004, 09:42:25 PM »
Quote from: JohnG on November 21, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
I love the 2/3 majority required for any tax increase.  The 3/4 to overturn veto is to much.

Agreed!
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2004, 09:44:28 PM »
Quote from: CARLHAYDEN on November 21, 2004, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: JohnG on November 21, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
I love the 2/3 majority required for any tax increase.  The 3/4 to overturn veto is to much.

Agreed!

What would you make the requirement for overturning the veto?
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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2004, 10:23:36 PM »
Voted yes. In principle, I think it's a good idea. I don't know about making it a Constitutional Amendment - perhaps just an Act that can't be overturned, has a ~10 year life and is renewable.

I also agree that more needs to be done than this to encourage fiscal responsibility - perhaps getting some Libertarian in Congress might help. Wink
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2004, 10:25:21 PM »
Congress can't restrict its own power, unless you mean a rule change.
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2004, 11:24:59 PM »
Quote from: Philip on November 21, 2004, 10:25:21 PM
Congress can't restrict its own power, unless you mean a rule change.

Something like that.
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2004, 11:25:28 PM »
Quote from: Philip on November 21, 2004, 09:44:28 PM
Quote from: CARLHAYDEN on November 21, 2004, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: JohnG on November 21, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
I love the 2/3 majority required for any tax increase.  The 3/4 to overturn veto is to much.

Agreed!

What would you make the requirement for overturning the veto?

The veto override would still be a 2/3 majority.  I fell that altering the 2/3 override of a veto would harm the checks and balances system, even if it is only on one type of bill.  No President should have the ability to supersede 2/3 of the Congress.  If the President wishes to veto the bill he can send it back to Congress, then climb on the biggest soapbox in the world and present his case to the citizens.  If the President’s objections, and citizens contacting there Senators and Congress men are not able to sway enough votes, then the bill should pass.

A similar amendment was proposed in the 105th Congress.
http://www.atr.org/policybriefs/010100pb.html
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2004, 12:37:25 PM »
A veto, any veto? No way.
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2004, 02:07:39 PM »

It would only apply to tax increases; not other legislation
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2004, 02:25:06 PM »
No.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2004, 02:39:37 PM »
Weren't you a Republican two weeks ago?
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