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« on: October 15, 2010, 03:25:24 PM »
« edited: October 16, 2010, 03:40:26 PM by Cathcon »

America and Onward; Part One: The Death of a Nation

In 1932, Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt was swept into office to replace Republican President Herbert Hoover. Over Roosevelt's three terms, he expanded government's role in the economy in the name of aiding Americans. However, despite his best efforts, the economy sunk further into the muck. Pearl Harbor and America's entry into World War II did nothing to help America's economy, with most of America's naval power ruined or in need of repair, the war was costly and Roosevelt was forced to take money from his precious social programs, which didn't put him in public favor. As resouce shortages started to appear because of so much many, food, and building material being used to fund the war, riots began breaking out in every major city. By 1943, the war was underfunded, and so was America. Becuase so many of America's allies had been attacked or were currently at war, America had nowhere to turn for funds to feed everyone. By 1944, the bloodiest of all the riots occured in Washington DC with cops and elected officials being pounded to death in the streets. President Roosevelt attempted to call in the national gurad, but they themselves were under-funded and the government couldn't afford to pay them, let alone supply them with weapons and uniforms. In the greatest day of terror the United States had ever seen, starving workers stormed the Whitehouse on February 29th, 1944, and inadverdantly or no, killed President Roosevelt. Vice-President Henry Wallace was lucky to escape with his life. With no head of government, out of repair infrastructure, and an under funded military, the federal government collapsed, and that was the end of America as we knew it.

One of the dreaded riots for food in America's major cities
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 05:39:13 PM »

One of the things a war economy provides in an industrial society is full employment.  For example, the reason that the CCC was terminated at the start of WWII was not a desire to cut social spending, but that available 18-24 year olds were either working in defense industries or in the armed forces.  It would be far likelier in an alt-WWII that economic turmoil would center around shortages of critical goods and/or hyperinflation than unemployment.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2010, 11:47:45 AM »
« Edited: October 17, 2010, 06:22:15 PM by Cathcon »

After 1944, all chaos broke out. Riots and violence occured along state borders while state governments themselves tried to take control of as much as they could and consolidate power. In certain regions of the United States, leaders began to consolidate power. In the North-East, Joseph Patrick Kennedy, who had worked for the Roosevelt Administration, had become the de-facto leader. However, in a vicious dispute with Virginia and Maryland, two of his sons, Jospeh and John became victim to the riots and the fighting and were beaten to death by angry Southerners. Such was the practice of the day, with sons dying all across America because of disputes for food and land.

By 1950, state governments had combined to form their own independen states, while Canada and Mexico had both taken control of certain parts of the country. The map of what had been the United States of America was:



Green: The Pacific Progressive Coalition led by Earl Warren
Yellow: the Western Plain led by Robert Lafollete Jr.
Gray: The Great Lakes Coalition led by Robert Taft Jr
Blue: New England led by Joseph Patrick Kennedy
Red: Dixie led by Richard Russel
White: taken over by neighboring countries; New Mexico by Mexico and Maine by Canada
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2010, 11:55:07 AM »

One of the things a war economy provides in an industrial society is full employment.  For example, the reason that the CCC was terminated at the start of WWII was not a desire to cut social spending, but that available 18-24 year olds were either working in defense industries or in the armed forces.  It would be far likelier in an alt-WWII that economic turmoil would center around shortages of critical goods and/or hyperinflation than unemployment.

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 05:30:55 PM »

In 1951, when things had seemed to settle down, former Vice-President Henry Wallace emerged from hiding in New England. He had been hiding there since the collapse of the american government in 1944. New England Leader Joseph Patrick Kennedy had kept him safe.

In Europe, after prolonged occupation by Germany, the United Kingdom was finally liberated by rebel forces. In France, however, a different story emerged of a totalitarian regime ruled by leaders appointed by Germany. Russia, on the other hand, had consolidated power while Germany had concentrated on its Western front and had significant influence in Eastern Germany. It was rumored that the Soviet Union might send troops into the Nordic Peninsula.

Former Vice-President Henry Wallace, after a short period of re-emergence, began meetin with regional leaders Warren, Lafollette, Taft, and Kennedy about the re-unification of America. Wallace didn't dare approach Dixie after his first and only meeting with leader Richard Russell,who had thrownhim out after he suggested that Dixie give up its sovereignty.

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2010, 06:19:08 PM »

By 1951, after meeting with leaders Kennedy, Taft, Lafollette, and Warren, Former Vice-Presient Henry Wallace had managed to make all four leaders agree to hold a series of meetings to discuss the re-unification of America. It was immediately made clear that any united America to come out of the meeting would be significantly smaller than the United States that had emerged by the 1920's. With the South, New Mexico, and Maine all gone from America, the land would be much smaller and more at the mercy of its enemies, the most likely of which would be Dixie. however, by 1951, every country, including Dixie, did not have a military with which to wage war or defend its territory.

By 1952, a convention had come out of the meetings where each of the four territories agreed to send a number of delegates based on population and chosen by local leaders (elections at that point, were hard to organize because of how crudely put together the four territories were without much infrastructure, and very little laws).

At the convention, a few speeches were held by the major supporters of re-unification, including Joseph Patrick Kennedy and Earl Warren, and a vote was taken, with the following results:
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2010, 08:40:24 PM »

Does Anybody care enough to comment? You, True Federalist?
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2010, 06:56:39 PM »

Does Anybody care enough to comment? You, True Federalist?

Maybe you should publish this on Election What-Ifs. More people read there. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2010, 07:06:23 PM »

Does Anybody care enough to comment? You, True Federalist?

Maybe you should publish this on Election What-Ifs. More people read there. Smiley

I kinda find that out too late Sad Do you inow how to move timelines?
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2010, 07:20:51 PM »

Does Anybody care enough to comment? You, True Federalist?

Maybe you should publish this on Election What-Ifs. More people read there. Smiley

I kinda find that out too late Sad Do you inow how to move timelines?

I don't know, but you could always just repost.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 07:25:25 PM »

Does Anybody care enough to comment? You, True Federalist?

Maybe you should publish this on Election What-Ifs. More people read there. Smiley

I kinda find that out too late Sad Do you inow how to move timelines?

I don't know, but you could always just repost.

I may do that...

As for the future, there are a lot of timelines that I want to do: Taft in 1944; Bloomberg 2012; Wallace 1968; and Romney 1968.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 02:51:57 PM »

This now has a new home in Election What-ifs

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=126328.0
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2010, 04:03:18 PM »

Does Anybody care enough to comment? You, True Federalist?

Maybe you should publish this on Election What-Ifs. More people read there. Smiley

The ironic thing is that I'm getting even less response there. Sad
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