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Question: Which one of these would you have done?
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Entered a coalition with the Conservatives (majority of 76)
 
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Entered a coalition with Labour, the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Green and the SDLP (majority of 6)
 
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Allowed the Conservatives to form a minority government
 
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Allowed the Conservatives to form a minority government, but given them a "confidence and supply" deal
 
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Other (please specify)
 
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« on: August 14, 2010, 08:39:31 PM »

Option 4.

It avoids uncertainty from the markets, your party still has their principles (and poll rating) intact and the Conservatives, who have "the moral right to govern", are in office.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2010, 09:34:06 PM »

If I were Nick Clegg, I would certainly be removed as leader of the Lib Dems, if not expelled from the party altogether, and possibly placed in an insane asylum for my sudden and dramatic shift in beliefs and loss of knowledge of just about anything British.
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2010, 10:20:29 PM »

Acting in my political interest? Option 4.

Doing what's right? Option 1.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 10:49:52 PM »

Option 2 - the radical leftists like myself have a majority
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2010, 02:37:22 AM »

Option 4, but really he was screwed whatever he did. A confidence and supply agreement would probably result in a result like that of the Ontario NDP in 1987.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2010, 05:41:07 AM »

Option 2 wasn't practicable - there wasn't enough support within Labour for it to work. (But it was I think tactically correct to engage them in negotiations.) After discounting that, what's correct depends entirely on how negotiations go with the Tories. Though I think it's rather disappointing that a referendum on AV was the best they could do on electoral reform.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2010, 07:21:33 AM »

Option 2 wasn't practicable - there wasn't enough support within Labour for it to work. (But it was I think tactically correct to engage them in negotiations.) After discounting that, what's correct depends entirely on how negotiations go with the Tories. Though I think it's rather disappointing that a referendum on AV was the best they could do on electoral reform.

^ I agree.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2010, 08:17:16 AM »

Option 4.

It avoids uncertainty from the markets, your party still has their principles (and poll rating) intact and the Conservatives, who have "the moral right to govern", are in office.

I agree; the Lib Dems now look like the FDP in Germany because of the Coalition.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2010, 12:14:57 PM »

Putting myself in Clegg's hypothetical shoes is not something that I could ever do, really. It's fairly clear, however, that he was bought for a remarkably small price; about all the LibDems appear to have got from the deal is seats in the Cabinet and a referendum that they will probably loose on a voting system that they don't actually support. I still don't understand why he didn't hold out for STV.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2010, 01:16:40 PM »

As has been pointed out, option 2 was impossible, unfortunately.

The trouble with 3 and 4 is the prospect of another election soon after; the Tories were almost certainly the best placed financially if that happened.  Also 4 may have required them to support some fairly unpalatable things as part of the deal, without getting any of their own ideas in.  But I don't think they got enough to justify 1.

So, probably have some negotiations with a view to 1, but end up with 3 or 4 if the Tories don't offer more concessions than they actually did.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2010, 01:20:27 PM »

Well, optimally: "Engineer a Conservative-Labour coalition without appearing to have had any hand in it, then attack it left, right & center relentlessly and become largest party in the Spring 2012 General Election." Tongue

Failing that, either a relatively stable toleration or a relatively unstable coalition, if that makes sense. Basically, trying to avoid *both* being seen as undependable and an instability factor *and* being seen as a Tory appendage. It's a fine line to walk, but I don't see Clegg even noticing the general area of the map that the line is in.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2010, 04:03:26 PM »

Either option 4 or option 1.  Option 2 would not have worked and option 3 means new elections (which means Tory Majority).  No matter what Clegg did, he was screwed I guess...at least he's in power though he could've sold out for more than what they got....
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2010, 05:20:14 PM »

Probably Option 4. It would have been his best move strategically.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2010, 10:38:38 PM »
« Edited: August 16, 2010, 10:40:18 PM by Dr. Cynic »

I would've formed a coalition with the SNP, Greens, Plaid Cymru and SDLP. If Labour didn't want to join, then I'd go with option 4 and build up my chances for the next election. Then again if I were a LibDem, I'd probably want to dump Clegg and go back to someone like Charles Kennedy.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2010, 10:46:50 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2010, 01:58:44 AM »

Option 4 is dangerous.

Conservatives form minority
It doesn't work
It falls
Conservatives call snap election
Conservatives win majority administration
Budget is not as fair as we LibDems made it currently
Social Policy is not as fair as we LibDems made it currently

What we have isn't perfect. It's far better than what could have happened.
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