Freedom is dead, congradulations!

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Not a single proposition in any state passed on the freedom side.

Marijuana was NOT legalized in Alaska.
Gay marriage bans passed everywhere, interfering with the lives of many gay Americans and their friends.
California passed the huge 3 billion dollar stem cell boondoggle, another hit to the free market.

etc....

Good job Amerikans!

[A18]

Marijuana I'm with you on. Same with the California thing.

Now, how does the marriage amendment interfere with anyone's life?

Freedom is not dead.

Lastly, it's spelt congratulations and Americans.

[Alcon]

Now, how does the marriage amendment interfere with anyone's life?

It doesn't, but it's unnecessary law that restricts a freedom that doesn't even exist.

[A18]

Actually, it's people using their freedom to define marriage as they see fit.

A church can call two gay people 'married' all it wants.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

It's Christians imposing their morals on others.  Like if Islamists took over your state and forced the women to wear veils.  I don't see a difference.

Amerikans are the new fascists of this country, and I've seen it slept with a 't' and a 'd'.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Not a single proposition in any state passed on the freedom side.

Marijuana was NOT legalized in Alaska.

Yes, because the ability to get high is so important to fighting fascism (note: I support legalization).

Gay marriage bans passed everywhere, interfering with the lives of many gay Americans and their friends.

They couldn't marry before, and still can't marry.  No rights were lost here.  These bans are useless, but they don't make the nation any less free.

California passed the huge 3 billion dollar stem cell boondoggle, another hit to the free market.

It's not like CA forbade private enterprise from doing stem cell research.  If CA taxpayers want to throw their money away, who are we to stop them.

You do have a point, but I think you're overreacting.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

It's hard not to overreact at the prospect of 4 more years of government intrusion and imposed morals. 

[A18]

How has your life been intruted into, and what morals have been forced on you?

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

It hasn't yet, I'm not a threat.  What about people like Micheal Moore?  They're watching him all the time, even though he's just practicing Free Speech.  And how about those "Free Speech Zones"? And Bush's forms you had to sign to attend his speeches?

I'm not gay, but they have to feel that they are oppressed by a Christian majority.  And people doing drugs, who are they hurting?  No one, if they have an available supply.  And if I tell the president to  off, what stops him from throwing me in Gitmo?   

The Patriot Act allows search and seizure with no warrant and no probable cause.  I call that a huge intrusion.  If you tell cops, "No, you can't come in my house."  You are ed.  You'll go to jail now thanks to the so-called Patriot Act. 

I can go on and on, the final nail is in the coffin of liberty.  It will take the second coming of Jesus that Christians are expecting to save us from ourselves.

[J. J.]

I'm not gay, but they have to feel that they are oppressed by a Christian majority.  And people doing drugs, who are they hurting?  No one, if they have an available supply.  And if I tell the president to f**ck off, what stops him from throwing me in Gitmo?   

The Patriot Act allows search and seizure with no warrant and no probable cause.  I call that a huge intrusion.  If you tell cops, "No, you can't come in my house."  You are f**cked.  You'll go to jail now thanks to the so-called Patriot Act. 

Would you care to support any of your claims with evidence?

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Enemy combatants:

http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/06/us0612.htm

The recent gay marriage bans are evidence right there.

http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html
The Patriot Act, see section 213:

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So, with section 2 above they can come seize your property and indefinitely delay any warrant.

[A18]

Haha. In other words, it's under the review of a court.

This is like saying "the government can put you to death" because a court might convict you of murder.

[shankbear]

dabaev....maybe you should get the happy pills refilled TOMORROW!!!!!!!!  Do it before the black helicopters keep you from exercising your freedom of movement.

Seriously, if you hate this country so badly, why don't you pack it up and move to Canada?  I have set up a special PayPal account for people exactly like you to purchase your one way tickets.  You should have gotten the vote out better.  You should have gotten a better candidate.  You should have worked harder.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Canada is too socialist, I am considering moving to Italy however.  Going back to my ancestral home sounds really good right now.

[TX_1824]

This so called loss of freedom is laughable. If Kerry wins, then over sensitive Bush supporters would be saying the same thing. Your rant is irrational. You claim that Canada is too socialist for you and yet you are upset that Bush won. If Bush lost, fanatic Bush supporters would be saying that capitalism is dead and socialism would be instituted. So I don't understand how this election could have made you happy. You would, logically, be pissed regardless who won. Troll.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I voted libertarian, and I do every time.  I was expecting a bigger turnout for Badnarik for at least some hope for 2008.  That did not come to pass, he got as many votes as Browne in 2000.

Kerry would've pissed me off less since we would balance back out and he'd perhaps work on social freedoms a bit.  The only vague hope I have now is the Bush gets a whole new cabinet of more centrist or libertarian people.  Which I doubt. 

[stry_cat]

This election just means we have to redouble our efforts on the local level.  IMHO the lesser of two evils won.  However this time around the lesser of two evils was a lot more evil than the greater of two evils in past elections.

Whatever you do, dont't relax.  Let everyone know how much better a free society would be.  Run for office, get your local LP active, etc.  We have to start winning on the local level first, before we can have a real chance at higher offices.

[patrick1]

It's Christians imposing their morals on others.  Like if Islamists took over your state and forced the women to wear veils.  I don't see a difference.

Amerikans are the new fascists of this country, and I've seen it slept with a 't' and a 'd'.

Maybe you have seen it spelled with a "D" instead of a T on a chessy Hallmark greeting card for someones Graduation.  It is Congratulations.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

It's Christians imposing their morals on others.  Like if Islamists took over your state and forced the women to wear veils.  I don't see a difference.

Amerikans are the new fascists of this country, and I've seen it slept with a 't' and a 'd'.

Maybe you have seen it spelled with a "D" instead of a T on a chessy Hallmark greeting card for someones Graduation.  It is Congratulations.

What are you, some kind of fascist, imposing your spelling on others?

[A18]

See?! Freedom is losing EVERYWHERE!

[kwab]

Marijuana shouldn't be legalized...

Stem-cell research will do wonders to curing diseases and saving lives in the future.  Schwarzenegger has put the state back on the right track.

I believe that gays should get the same rights as married people, just not under the term "marriage."

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Marijuana shouldn't be legalized...

I think the states should at least be able to decide for themselves.  Currently, even if the measures did pass in Alaska and... what was the other state?... the DEA would still bust down your door.

Stem-cell research will do wonders to curing diseases and saving lives in the future.  Schwarzenegger has put the state back on the right track.

We are talking about creating human beings for the express purpose of doing experiments on them and destroying them.  Think about the implications of that.  Think hard.  Anyone who comes to a quick opinion on this issue, on either side, hasn't thought hard enough.

I believe that gays should get the same rights as married people, just not under the term "marriage."

I can get with that.  I mean, I do sympathize with people wanting to choose who to share their property with, give inheritance to, give hospital visitation rights to, etc.  I think there is a fundamental right for people to choose who they want in their family.  But it isn't marriage.

[shankbear]

Spelling is good.........it is spelled congratulations.

Use spell check or a dictionary

[John Dibble]

Marijuana shouldn't be legalized...

I think the states should at least be able to decide for themselves.  Currently, even if the measures did pass in Alaska and... what was the other state?... the DEA would still bust down your door.

Agreed. Drugs should be a states issue. The only place the federal government would need to be involved would be preventing illegal importation of drugs.

And marijuana should be legal - it's the most harmless of all the drugs, and legalizing it would alleviate much of our prison overcrowding problems.

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We are talking about creating human beings for the express purpose of doing experiments on them and destroying them.  Think about the implications of that.  Think hard.  Anyone who comes to a quick opinion on this issue, on either side, hasn't thought hard enough.[/quote]

I agree we shouldn't create and kill fetuses just for research. Finding an alternate source of stem cells would be preferable. Also, all government funding towards stem cell research(and abortion for that matter) should end.

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I can get with that.  I mean, I do sympathize with people wanting to choose who to share their property with, give inheritance to, give hospital visitation rights to, etc.  I think there is a fundamental right for people to choose who they want in their family.  But it isn't marriage.
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It's for this reason why I think we should just have all government marriage called civil unions instead, and leave the spiritual side of marriage(and the definition) to church. The government requires no love, spirituality, ect. for people to get married, and government marriage is only really grants those legal rights and whatnot, so really government recognized marriage is a civil union anyways.

[Giant Saguaro]

Now what are you going on about? Didn't pass on the freedom side, what does that mean? People came out and voted on something important to them in very large numbers and the stuff mostly won very big numbers. So actually the stuff did pass on the side of freedom; just because you disagree with it without regards to what everyone else thinks does NOT mean it didn't pass on the freedom side. The vast minority does not call the shots.

Good grief.