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« on: July 22, 2010, 10:03:34 PM »

Had he survived, do you think that he would have been impeached and removed from office for his scandals? Why or why not?
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 10:15:55 PM »

Republicans had very large majorities in Congress at the time. So there would of had to have been a lot of irrefutable evidence to toss him out.
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2010, 01:49:09 AM »

Had he survived, do you think that he would have been impeached and removed from office for his scandals? Why or why not?

No I don't and what scandals are you talking about? His free market principles led us out of the 1920 depression that's been erased for our school history books.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2010, 10:25:35 AM »

If he was impeached it would just lead to President Calvin Coolidge, which happened anyway..........
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2010, 12:19:07 PM »

Had he survived, do you think that he would have been impeached and removed from office for his scandals? Why or why not?

No I don't and what scandals are you talking about? His free market principles led us out of the 1920 depression that's been erased for our school history books.

Veterans' Bureau Scandal. The head of the agency intended to assist ex-servicmen became embroiled in corrupt practices and served time in federal prison.

Justice Department Scandal. Harding's political mentor and closest advisor headed a corrupt Department of Justice, but twice was acquitted by juries.

Alien Property Custodian Scandal. The head of an important federal oversight agency was imprisoned for corrupt practices.

Teapot Dome Scandal. The Secretary of the Interior was eventually convicted of taking a bribe for questionable leasing of government facilities.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1360.html

The Teapot Dome Scandal was the largest one, I think. And Harding wasn't free-market--he supported the Fed. That's against free-market principles. And I'm not sure whether Harding's policies led out out of the 1920-1921 recession or whether the economy just naturally recovered.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2010, 11:32:54 PM »

Had he survived, do you think that he would have been impeached and removed from office for his scandals? Why or why not?

No I don't and what scandals are you talking about? His free market principles led us out of the 1920 depression that's been erased for our school history books.

Veterans' Bureau Scandal. The head of the agency intended to assist ex-servicmen became embroiled in corrupt practices and served time in federal prison.

Justice Department Scandal. Harding's political mentor and closest advisor headed a corrupt Department of Justice, but twice was acquitted by juries.

Alien Property Custodian Scandal. The head of an important federal oversight agency was imprisoned for corrupt practices.

Teapot Dome Scandal. The Secretary of the Interior was eventually convicted of taking a bribe for questionable leasing of government facilities.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1360.html

The Teapot Dome Scandal was the largest one, I think. And Harding wasn't free-market--he supported the Fed. That's against free-market principles. And I'm not sure whether Harding's policies led out out of the 1920-1921 recession or whether the economy just naturally recovered.

Scandals were much more accepted and easier hid back then. This all makes him human as none of it put our country in danger of terrorism or socialism though. Or in danger of anything for that matter.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 01:57:29 AM »

Had he survived, do you think that he would have been impeached and removed from office for his scandals? Why or why not?

No I don't and what scandals are you talking about? His free market principles led us out of the 1920 depression that's been erased for our school history books.

Veterans' Bureau Scandal. The head of the agency intended to assist ex-servicmen became embroiled in corrupt practices and served time in federal prison.

Justice Department Scandal. Harding's political mentor and closest advisor headed a corrupt Department of Justice, but twice was acquitted by juries.

Alien Property Custodian Scandal. The head of an important federal oversight agency was imprisoned for corrupt practices.

Teapot Dome Scandal. The Secretary of the Interior was eventually convicted of taking a bribe for questionable leasing of government facilities.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1360.html

The Teapot Dome Scandal was the largest one, I think. And Harding wasn't free-market--he supported the Fed. That's against free-market principles. And I'm not sure whether Harding's policies led out out of the 1920-1921 recession or whether the economy just naturally recovered.

Scandals were much more accepted and easier hid back then. This all makes him human as none of it put our country in danger of terrorism or socialism though. Or in danger of anything for that matter.

So government corruption is okay as long as it doesn't put the country in danger from terrorists or socialists? By that standard, having an affair should be okay as well, but I doubt you'll be calling Bill Clinton "human" anytime soon.

Back on topic, I don't think Harding would have been impeached, as there was no evidence that Harding himself was personally involved in any of the scandals. He simply appointed a few corrupt individuals to high goverment positions.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2010, 03:43:57 PM »

Out of all of those who think Harding would not have been impeached, do you all think Harding would have been reelected? Why or why not?
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 05:04:47 PM »

Quite probably he would have been reelected.  At the time of his death, he was beginning to get a grip on the corruption surrounding him, so I think he would have been able to clean house enough to win renomination.  Unless something caused the disaster that was the 1924 Democratic National Convention, aka the Clanbake, to happen differently, the GOP was going to win in 1924 no matter who they had at the head of the ticket.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2010, 05:49:44 PM »

The economy was going well and the Democrats were in disarray. Yes, Harding would have won in 1924.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2010, 03:18:25 AM »

The economy was going well and the Democrats were in disarray. Yes, Harding would have won in 1924.
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 08:03:18 AM »

The economy was going well and the Democrats were in disarray. Yes, Harding would have won in 1924.

Agreed.
Harding would have to screw a babygoat in public view for the Republicans to lose 1924.  Yes, the last term of Wilson was THAT BAD.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 12:05:57 PM »

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People from the 1920s would disagree on the idea of a lack of danger of terrorism or socialism, for sure.  A. Mitchell Palmer's raids on socialists were a sign of the anti-communist hysteria that swept the country in the early part of the decade, and violent anarchists were still around; don't forget that one of them more or less provided the proximiate cause of WWI.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2010, 03:23:22 PM »

Harding would not have been impeached. He was a terrible judge of character, but he was NOT personally responsible for any wrongdoing as near as I can tell.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2010, 10:00:12 PM »

1. No, Harding would not have been impeached. He was just a terrible judge of character as Dr. Cynic said below.

2. He most likely would not have run for reelection anyway, but if he did he would win. It wouldn't be a 400+ EV landslide like in 1920, but it would still be by a comfortable margin.
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 10:02:12 PM »

Veterans' Bureau Scandal. The head of the agency intended to assist ex-servicmen became embroiled in corrupt practices and served time in federal prison.
And Harding committed what high crime or misdemeanor in this scandal?
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And Harding committed what high crime or misdemeanor in this scandal?

YOu have listed a bunch of real scandals involving government officials but I see nothing for which a president  could be impeached
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2010, 10:03:53 PM »

Out of all of those who think Harding would not have been impeached, do you all think Harding would have been reelected? Why or why not?

Easily win.  He was popular, the country was doing well, the Dems were not. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2010, 10:14:27 PM »


Scandals were much more accepted and easier hid back then.


Oh no, quite the opposite. 

The Harding scandal list includes
1.  corruption in the VA,
2.  allegations of corruption in the Justice Department
3.  corrupt oversight of federal property and
4. questionable connections between US officials and energy companies. 
These scandals were all investigated at the time and several officials served time in prison.

In the Bush administration there were:
1.  corruption in the VA,
2.  allegations of corruption in the Justice Department
3.  corrupt oversight of federal property and
4. questionable connections between US officials and energy companies
Yet no serious invesrtigations or jail time. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2010, 10:19:18 PM »

The Teapot Dome Scandal was the largest one, I think.

Why do you think that? 
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