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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: July 20, 2010, 05:31:36 AM »
« edited: October 18, 2010, 11:08:34 AM by Antonio V »

I think legislative elections deserve to have their survivor since Presidentials and Referendums have. Despite what everybody says, legislative elections are the important elections, even in the 5th Republic. Without a majority in the parliament, a President is effectively powerless, as the "cohabitations" have proved.
So, let's go !

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194593210153016
1946 (j.)1016
1946 (n.)31121
195111181512
195611211818
195862117
19621136
196721054183
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198113161522
198662
19887146
1993116
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200214
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010, 07:47:35 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 02:54:39 PM »

1973
Very uninteresting elections.

(1962 had an importance after the opposition of many centrists towards de Gaulle)
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010, 03:11:35 PM »

1968
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010, 03:11:38 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 04:06:51 AM »

1968
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 08:27:31 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2010, 10:55:56 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2010, 11:22:13 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2010, 03:06:33 AM »

1968 is out



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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2010, 03:29:22 AM »

All this begins very badly... Sad

1968 were interesting and important election, in their principle itself.

This was the victory of Pompidou over de Gaulle, who initially wanted a referendum.
The raw result may seem uninteresting, but was a surprise for the gaullists themselves.
Pompidou (and Balladur and Chirac) and, on the other side, the CGT trade union and the communists more globally, negotiated the end of May-June 68 and were the 2 sides of the same aim: order. And they all wanted to kill de Gaulle in a way...
De Gaulle eventually didn't take Pompidou as PM again as he knew he was now a rival...

And 1968 were the first dissolution of the Assembly BY CHOICE (1962 was a constitutionally forced one).

Its really a pity 1968 is already out. It should have been in the first half, at least.
I hope you've got other reasons than following Xahar's basic and short-sighted (to be kind) anti-gaullism Wink.

Well, 2002 and 2007 were far less interesting and historical than 1968...
Or, if you want big rightist elections, 1993, which was predictable since 1991.

In this disappointing beginning, I have at least one reason to smile: Hash and me keep on mostly agreeing with each other on the relative interest of French elections (referendums, presidential, general), whatever their result.

Anyway,

1973

2007


for this round (2002 and 2007 were just elections that give logical powers to the new president, so no surprise at all, with 2002 a bit more interesting locally)
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2010, 06:02:51 AM »

1968 wasn't an important election, just the right way to conclude a crisis that was already over. While the dissolution was theoretically chosen, it was a direct consequence of external events. If you're looking for a really chosen dissolution, then the only correct example is 1997. Tongue Also, this "anti-chienlit" reflex vote masked the real political trends of the country and the new parliament (which lasted for 5 years) wasn't at all representative of the country's aspirations.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2010, 08:31:30 AM »

If we play the stupid little hack game, I'll play along:

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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2010, 10:42:47 AM »

1973
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2010, 01:49:53 PM »

If we play the stupid little hack game, I'll play along:

What the hell ? I'd like some explanation for you calling me along with 4 other posters "stupid little hacks" just beause you don't like how we voted.

Anyways :
2002 (people voted for UMP just because Chirac was elected President, and we know how he was)
1973 (uninteresting indeed)
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2010, 01:59:01 PM »

1951 and 1956

Fourth Republic elections were boring.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2010, 04:07:28 PM »

1968 wasn't an important election, just the right way to conclude a crisis that was already over. While the dissolution was theoretically chosen, it was a direct consequence of external events. If you're looking for a really chosen dissolution, then the only correct example is 1997. Tongue Also, this "anti-chienlit" reflex vote masked the real political trends of the country and the new parliament (which lasted for 5 years) wasn't at all representative of the country's aspirations.

Nope. Maybe you'll learn it in your 1st year rue St-Guillaume, but it wasn't at all an obvious choice.

As for the real trends of a country, well, such a democratic vote should give them clearly. And read again education projects of Edgar Faure and Peyrefitte and you'll see that "social reform" was already at work.
And the real trends of France have always been hard to see: remember Pétain in Paris in 1944...

Anyway, I really think some of our regular survivormaniacs think that such is a result in 1968 automatically means a boring election. That's just not the case.

As for 4th Republic elections, Xahar is again wrong: "Third Force", poujadism, mendesism, amazing failure of the RPF, shenanigans in the "republican front", complexity of "the rally of republican lefts": 1951 and 1956 were really very interesting.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2010, 05:45:50 PM »

Okay, perhaps boring is the wrong word, but they weren't particularly meaningful.
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2010, 06:27:35 PM »

What the hell ? I'd like some explanation for you calling me along with 4 other posters "stupid little hacks" just beause you don't like how we voted.

1. There's a difference between "the stupid little hack game" and "the stupid little hack's game"
2. 1968 was a far more interesting election, the results while boring were quite interesting after what had happened just months before. 1973 was far more uninteresting and boring.
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2010, 02:26:51 AM »

While I might certainly have done the wrong choice, I don't think the right one was so evident. Let's end this discussion now.
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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2010, 09:41:42 AM »

1973 is out



Round 3 begins. Vote to eliminate 1 election and to keep one.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2010, 09:51:26 AM »

eliminate 2002 (2007's shift between the first round and runoff like in 1967 is interesting; 2002 was fairly boring. Some 2007 local results are also interesting)
keep 1951
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2010, 01:25:22 PM »

Eliminate 2002
Keep 1956
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2010, 02:40:30 PM »

Eliminate   1993
Keep   1981
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2010, 03:25:19 AM »

Eliminate 2007
Keep 1978 (just in case...)
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