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« on: July 11, 2010, 08:34:17 PM »

So Jefferson's party was called the Republican (Democratic-Republican) Party, but I've seen Jefferson referred to as the "father of the Democratic Party."

Which party can trace its lineage to Jefferson, the modern Republican or the Democratic Party? Or neither?


 
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2010, 08:40:36 PM »

So Jefferson's party was called the Republican (Democratic-Republican) Party, but I've seen Jefferson referred to as the "father of the Democratic Party."

Which party can trace its lineage to Jefferson, the modern Republican or the Democratic Party? Or neither?


 

Neither, but as a slave owner and the democrats being the party supporting the south during the Civil War I guess they could find some similarities.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2010, 11:10:46 PM »

So Jefferson's party was called the Republican (Democratic-Republican) Party, but I've seen Jefferson referred to as the "father of the Democratic Party."

Which party can trace its lineage to Jefferson, the modern Republican or the Democratic Party? Or neither? 

At one time or another, both have claimed that lineage but i think neither is the better answer.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2010, 11:26:17 PM »

The party was know as the Republicans at the time. When the Federalists collapsed, America was basically a one-party system under the Republicans (look at the 1824 Pres. election). Eventually, the party split off into other parties, many of which later became the Whigs. The remaining faction became the Democratic party as we know it under Andrew Jackson.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2010, 11:43:55 PM »

Both were in some way derived, but the lineage is closer for the Democrats.
The Democratic-Republicans split into factions during the 1820s, resulting in the formation of the Jacksonian Democrats and the National Republicans, which became the Whigs. The National Republicans/Whigs were generally closer to the policies of the defunct Federalist party than to those of the Jeffersonian Republicans.

I think of the lineage as basically this:

Anti-Federalists --> Jefferson Republicans --> (major faction) Democratic-Republicans --> Jackson Democrats --> Democratic Party

Federalists -->  ( faction within Democratic-Republican Party) --> National Republicans --> Whigs --> (+anti-slavery Democrats, minor factions) Republican Party
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2010, 08:43:05 PM »

Both were in some way derived, but the lineage is closer for the Democrats.
The Democratic-Republicans split into factions during the 1820s, resulting in the formation of the Jacksonian Democrats and the National Republicans, which became the Whigs. The National Republicans/Whigs were generally closer to the policies of the defunct Federalist party than to those of the Jeffersonian Republicans.

I think of the lineage as basically this:

Anti-Federalists --> Jefferson Republicans --> (major faction) Democratic-Republicans --> Jackson Democrats --> Democratic Party

Federalists -->  ( faction within Democratic-Republican Party) --> National Republicans --> Whigs --> (+anti-slavery Democrats, minor factions) Republican Party

Don't forget that southern Whigs became Democrats after the Whig Party's collapse.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2010, 09:23:28 PM »

Both were in some way derived, but the lineage is closer for the Democrats.
The Democratic-Republicans split into factions during the 1820s, resulting in the formation of the Jacksonian Democrats and the National Republicans, which became the Whigs. The National Republicans/Whigs were generally closer to the policies of the defunct Federalist party than to those of the Jeffersonian Republicans.

I think of the lineage as basically this:

Anti-Federalists --> Jefferson Republicans --> (major faction) Democratic-Republicans --> Jackson Democrats --> Democratic Party

Federalists -->  ( faction within Democratic-Republican Party) --> National Republicans --> Whigs --> (+anti-slavery Democrats, minor factions) Republican Party

Don't forget that southern Whigs became Democrats after the Whig Party's collapse.

Not quite.  The Southern Whigs along with some Northern Whigs, first became Know-Nothings under the campaign name of American Party and they also provided most of the support of the short-lived Constitutional Union Party of 1860.
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