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« on: July 10, 2010, 02:19:05 AM »

By PHILIP ELLIOTT (AP)

WASHINGTON — Democrats recommended a February start for the 2012 political calendar and the likely renomination of President Barack Obama, with Iowa and New Hampshire keeping their traditional early voting spots.

Abandoning the typical January beginning, the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws panel on Friday proposed holding the Iowa caucuses on Feb. 6, 2012, and the New Hampshire primary eight days later, on Feb. 14. Nevada caucuses would be Feb. 18 and the South Carolina primary on Feb. 28.

All other states would hold their primaries and caucuses March 6 or later. The calendar must be approved by the full DNC at a meeting later this summer.

Democrats who gathered in Washington for a two-day session also looked to limit the influence of the independent superdelegates in choosing the party's nominee. Superdelegates are the members of Congress, governors and party elders who can back candidates regardless of how their states vote.

In 2008, Obama won over scores of superdelegates, helping him build an advantage over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton in the final count. About a fifth of the delegates to the national convention were superdelegates.

The DNC rules panel moved toward recommending a reduction in the number of superdelegates, from 20 percent of the total number of delegates to 15 percent. At the same time, the panel recommended increasing the overall number of delegates from the current 4,439.

With Obama likely to seek a second term, Democrats were willing to stick with the traditional calendar start, rebuffing complaints from some party officials that Iowa and New Hampshire, predominantly white states with smaller populations, have an oversized role in the process.

Dennis Archer, a rules committee member and a former mayor of Detroit, said Democrats risk losing influence if they don't consider other states for early nominating contests.

"Demographically, America is changing," Archer said. "We've got to stop looking at shortsighted solutions. I'm comfortable keeping it there for 2012, but there ought to be a real discussion that goes to 2016."

The panel recommended harsh penalties for states and candidates who violate the calendar. Candidates cannot win delegates if they campaign in states that try to hold their contests early. States that ignore the rules automatically will be stripped of half their delegates. In 2008, Michigan and Florida were penalized for moving up their primaries.

Some officials said they were willing to consider new states but not now.

"Already planning 2016 before we've succeeded in 2012 seems a little disquieting," said Alice Germond, a committee member from West Virginia. "Let's do this and do it right. But after we win."

The DNC meets later this summer in St. Louis, one of the four cities Democrats are considering for the national convention.

Republicans are considering the same order of states to nominate their candidate and will finalize their calendar later this summer.

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 04:39:50 AM »

By PHILIP ELLIOTT (AP)

WASHINGTON — Democrats recommended a February start for the 2012 political calendar and the likely renomination of President Barack Obama, with Iowa and New Hampshire keeping their traditional early voting spots.

Abandoning the typical January beginning, the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws panel on Friday proposed holding the Iowa caucuses on Feb. 6, 2012, and the New Hampshire primary eight days later, on Feb. 14. Nevada caucuses would be Feb. 18 and the South Carolina primary on Feb. 28.

Yeah, that is never going to happen, as I argue here, in the thread on the GOP rules:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=116781.15

A few states with primaries in February will move to a later date, but others will stay where they are and accept the penalties.  IA, NH, SC, and maybe NV will then all opt to stay in January so that they can still go first.  Doesn't matter what the DNC or RNC say.  The states will just schedule their primaries for whenever they want.

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Those are not harsh penalties, at least not in a year when the Democratic nomination will likely be uncontested.  "Candidates cannot win delegates if they campaign in states that try to hold their contests early."  Obama will likely run unopposed for the Democratic nomination, so he won't care.  States will lose half of their delegates....they don't really care that much.

States don't care about losing half their delegates.  They just want to hold early primaries, so that the candidates and the media will shower attention on them.  If they hold their primary too late, then the contest might be over by the time they vote, so they don't want that.

Now, the incentives are a bit different in a year in which the Dems won't really have a contest.  A few states with Democratic governors and Democratic legislators might move their primaries later to comply with the rules, since they have less reason to worry about the timing of their primary.  But plenty of other states will not comply, and the 2012 primary season is going to start in early to mid-January again.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 11:01:27 PM »

According to this:

http://demrulz.org/?p=1487

the committee actually rejected the rule that said that candidates who campaign in the offending states lose their delegates.  So the only punishment for states going early is that the state will lose half its delegates*.  That holds for both parties.  That's not going to be enough of an incentive to get all those states with February primaries to move later.

* Actually, it looks like the DNC will also give "bonus delegates" to states that hold primaries after April 15th, so there's an added benefit for going later.  But I still think many states will remain in February.
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