A New Ranking of the Presidents

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I'm bored, and today is America's Birthday, so enjoy
1.   George Washington (No Party, 1789-1797)
2.   Abraham Lincoln (Republican, 1861-1865)
3.   Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat, 1933-1945)
4.   Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican, 1801-1809)
5.   Theodore Roosevelt (Republican, 1901-1909)
6.   Harry S. Truman (Democrat, 1945-1953)
7.   Andrew Jackson (Democrat, 1829-1837)
8.   James K. Polk (Democrat, 1845-1849)
9.   Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican, 1953-1961)
10.   James Madison (Democratic-Republican, 1809-1817)
11.   Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat, 1963-1969)
12.   Woodrow Wilson (Democrat, 1913-1921)
13.   James Monroe (Democratic-Republican, 1817-1825)
14.   Chester A. Arthur (Republican, 1881-1885)
15.   John Adams (Federalist, 1797-1801)
16.   John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican, 1825-1829)
17.   Bill Clinton (Democrat, 1993-2001)
18.   John F. Kennedy (Democrat, 1961-1963)
19.   George H.W. Bush (Republican, 1989-1993)
20.   William McKinley (Republican, 1897-1901)
21.   Richard Nixon (Republican, 1969-1974)
22.   William Howard Taft (Republican, 1909-1913)
23.   Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican, 1877-1881)
24.   Ulysses S. Grant (Republican, 1869-1877)
25.   Martin Van Buren (Democrat, 1837-1841)
26.   Gerald Ford (Republican, 1974-1977)
27.   Ronald Reagan (Republican, 1981-1989)
28.   Benjamin Harrison (Republican, 1889-1893)
29.   Calvin Coolidge (Republican, 1923-1929)
30.   Grover Cleveland (Democrat, 1885-1889, 1893-1897)
31.   John Tyler (Whig, 1841-1845)
32.   Millard Fillmore (Whig, 1850-1853)
33.   Hebert Hoover (Republican, 1929-1933)
34.   Andrew Johnson (Democrat, 1865-1869)
35.   Franklin Pierce (Democrat, 1853-1857)
36.   Warren G. Harding (Republican, 1921-1923)
37.   Jimmy Carter (Democrat, 1977-1981)
38.   James Buchanan (Democrat, 1857-1861)

[Bo]

Which ones did you not bother ranking (sorry, too lazy to check)?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

WH Harrison, Zachary Taylor, James A. Garfield, W., and Obama.

[Psychic Octopus]

Just curious, but what warrants Madison's unusually high ranking?

[Bo]

IMO, Jackson, Wilson, Nixon, and Benjamin Harrison are ranked too high while Harding and Taft are ranked too low.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Just curious, but what warrants Madison's unusually high ranking?

Building up the army and navy, establishing a bank to help move along finances along with tariffs, and starting the Era of Good Feelings, as well as ending the Barbary Wars.  In retrospect, he may be ranked too high.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Ah, I see. When I rank, I typically place him at 14 or 15. What about William McKinley? While I know that you are a populist, I would've thought you would approve of his cautious yet expansionist foreign policy.

McKinley was neither good nor bad; he was very weak on civil rights, a bit of a cronyist, and tolerant of monopolies and trusts.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Well, T. Roosevelt nor Wilson were that strong on the race issue.

True, but they had other redeeming qualities.

McKinley's attitude toward the trusts (and tariffs in general) started to change, but his life was cut short before his transformation was complete.

True, but I can't give him credit for that.  He got an average ranking, not great, but not bad either.

[Bo]

My revised list:

1. Lincoln
2. TR (Teddy Roosevelt)
3. FDR
4. Washington
5. Jefferson
6. Polk
7. Truman
8. Taft
9. LBJ
10. Eisenhower
11. Obama
12. Arthur
13. J. Adams
14. Madison
15. Monroe
16. Wilson
17. J.Q. Adams
18. Coolidge
19. McKinley
20. Cleveland
21. Ford
22. Clinton
23. W. Harrison
24. Garfield
25. Taylor
26. Hayes
27. Harding
28. Grant
29. Bush Sr.
30. Hoover
31. Reagan
32. Nixon
33. JFK
34. Van Buren
35. Fillmore
36. Carter
37. Bush Jr.
38. Tyler
39. Pierce
40. Buchanan
41. Jackson
42. B. Harrison
43. A. Johnson

[Ameriplan]

My revised list:

1. Lincoln
2. TR (Teddy Roosevelt)
3. FDR
4. Washington
5. Jefferson
6. Polk
7. Truman
8. Taft
9. LBJ
10. Eisenhower
11. Obama
12. Arthur
13. J. Adams
14. Madison
15. Monroe
16. Wilson
17. J.Q. Adams
18. Coolidge
19. McKinley
20. Cleveland
21. Ford
22. Clinton
23. W. Harrison
24. Garfield
25. Taylor
26. Hayes
27. Harding
28. Grant
29. Bush Sr.
30. Hoover
31. Reagan
32. Nixon
33. JFK
34. Van Buren
35. Fillmore
36. Carter
37. Bush Jr.
38. Tyler
39. Pierce
40. Buchanan
41. Jackson
42. B. Harrison
43. A. Johnson

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[Bo]

My revised list:

1. Lincoln
2. TR (Teddy Roosevelt)
3. FDR
4. Washington
5. Jefferson
6. Polk
7. Truman
8. Taft
9. LBJ
10. Eisenhower
11. Obama
12. Arthur
13. J. Adams
14. Madison
15. Monroe
16. Wilson
17. J.Q. Adams
18. Coolidge
19. McKinley
20. Cleveland
21. Ford
22. Clinton
23. W. Harrison
24. Garfield
25. Taylor
26. Hayes
27. Harding
28. Grant
29. Bush Sr.
30. Hoover
31. Reagan
32. Nixon
33. JFK
34. Van Buren
35. Fillmore
36. Carter
37. Bush Jr.
38. Tyler
39. Pierce
40. Buchanan
41. Jackson
42. B. Harrison
43. A. Johnson

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

What's so funny?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

What's so funny?

The bolded ones   I fail to see how you can rank Obama, Bush 43, WH Harrison, Garfield, or even Taylor, given their term lengths or lack of historical perspective.

[Ameriplan]

I can't BELIEVE you had Jackson at 41st, Rochambeau. That pretty much erases any credibility your post had.

[Bo]

I can't BELIEVE you had Jackson at 41st, Rochambeau. That pretty much erases any credibility your post had.

Jackson's economic policies led to the Panic of 1837, which was the worst economic crisis/depression up to that point. Destroying the National Bank (especially because he thought it was ruled by elitists) was not a good idea.

[SPC]

How come two people with similar economic ideologies get #3 and #33? Is it because one of them involved the United States in a war that killed 400,000 Americans? Also, how come two people with similar attitudes toward secession get #2 and #38? Is it because one of them killed 600,000 to enforce his ideology?

[Lief 🗽]

Kind of a boring and overly safe list.

[Bo]

Oh, and Washington was a Federalist.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Oh, and Washington was a Federalist.

Not officially he wasn't.  Remember, he warned against political parties in the Farewell Address.

[Хahar 🤔]

Oh, and Washington was a Federalist.

Not officially he wasn't.  Remember, he warned against political parties in the Farewell Address.

Well, yeah, but he also warned against foreign alliances. Those warnings were both for the same reasons: his attempts at party politics and foreign diplomacy had failed. The Farewell Address was basically self-effacing and can't be taken at face value.

[Vepres]

I can see Carter being low, but 2nd from the bottom?

[k-onmmunist]

Just curious, but what warrants Madison's unusually high ranking?

Building up the army and navy, establishing a bank to help move along finances along with tariffs, and starting the Era of Good Feelings, as well as ending the Barbary Wars.  In retrospect, he may be ranked too high.

Being ran out of the White House by British troops = automatic low placing.

[hawkeye59]

top 11
1. Lincoln
2. F. Roosevelt
3. T. Roosevelt
4. Washington
5. Jefferson
6. Truman
7. JFK
8.Eisenhower
9. Monroe
10. LBJ
11. Clinton

[Bo]

top 11
1. Lincoln
2. F. Roosevelt
3. T. Roosevelt
4. Washington
5. Jefferson
6. Truman
7. JFK
8.Eisenhower
9. Monroe
10. LBJ
11. Clinton

Why do you put JFK, Monroe, and Clinton so high?

[Dr. Cynic]

You know, as for Polk. He is the ONLY President to accomplish everything he said he'd do. All four of his objectives were accomplished. I don't rank him in the top 5, but he did do everything he said he'd do.

Reagan is always ranked far too high. This is the same man who said trees cause pollution and to give the kids ketchup in their school lunches to count as a vegetable. When he said he knew nothing about the Iran-Contra affair, one would be inclined to believe him because he just wasn't a very active managerial President.

I always have a hard time with LBJ. On one hand, his domestic policies were good, in my opinion, but the Vietnam war really drives him down.

[Хahar 🤔]

You know, as for Polk. He is the ONLY President to accomplish everything he said he'd do. All four of his objectives were accomplished. I don't rank him in the top 5, but he did do everything he said he'd do.

But the things he did were bad things.