Why I Hate Harry Truman

[Derek]

I would have hated him for the same thing Obama just did. He politically fired a top general who knew more than him.

Umm, MacArthur was a goddamn loon. His actions would have led to the mass murder of millions more people.

Let me guess you're going to say it would have let to a Vietnam. Why is the left so obsessed with Vietnam? They could look to WWII and compare it to that. Hell if they were studying history and read about the Pelopponesian Wars, they'd say omg it's just another Vietnam. Anyways, what makes you say what you're saying?

[Oakvale]

There shouldnt be social class. If all humans are born equal, why must we demand segregation on economic grounds?

What the hell happened to you?

As much as I disagree with Libby's article, our little comsymp here with his North Korean signature is much more in need of being called out.

This.

I quite possibly agree with Libertas more often than this new, Stalinist Winston, and, as Libertas himself can probably attest, that's pretty much unprecedented.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Whether National Socialism is a variant of socialism or not is not relevant to the thesis of the OP. I suggest reading beyond that point.

Well, no, actually. Telltale remarks like that are often act as an excellent indication that the rest of the article, book or whatever is not worth bothering with.

[hawkeye59]

TBH, I lost interest in the article once it called Nazism "another type of socialism" (paraphrasing).

Whether National Socialism is a variant of socialism or not is not relevant to the thesis of the OP. I suggest reading beyond that point.

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Dropping atomic bombs on civilian cities is a pretty loaded action, y'know.

As opposed to an invasion of Japan where maybe millions more innocents would die?

[k-onmmunist]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

[dead0man]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

Mokusatsu

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

Japan surrender? lol. they are all about dying with pride.

[The Mikado]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

Am I really seeing a self-proclaimed Red defending Imperial Japan?  You might want to look up some of the things your man Kim il-Sung said about that regime, if you don't trust Western capitalist propaganda. 

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

What a load of crap.  They were prepared to fight to the last man in Japan; there would have been so many more lives lost on all sides that it would have defied the imagination.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

What a load of crap.  They were prepared to fight to the last man in Japan; there would have been so many more lives lost on all sides that it would have defied the imagination.

ben is right. I have friends from japan who always say that in the past japan would never surrender and they are unlikely to surrender if they got into a war today.

ben, no need to be rude when you disagree.

[The Mikado]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

What a load of crap.  They were prepared to fight to the last man in Japan; there would have been so many more lives lost on all sides that it would have defied the imagination.

ben is right. I have friends from japan who always say that in the past japan would never surrender and they are unlikely to surrender if they got into a war today.

What, did you happen to befriend the Shintaro Ishihara fanclub or something?

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

What a load of crap.  They were prepared to fight to the last man in Japan; there would have been so many more lives lost on all sides that it would have defied the imagination.

ben is right. I have friends from japan who always say that in the past japan would never surrender and they are unlikely to surrender if they got into a war today.

What, did you happen to befriend the Shintaro Ishihara fanclub or something?

i go to an international school. so we get our fair fair of chinese and japanese people. and they tell us how it is over there.

[Free Palestine]

Truman was an imperialist internationalist idiot. The invasion of the DPRK, the murder of millions of Japanese civilians when Japan attempted to surrender... all of them point to a warmongering megalomaniac.

Ignoring the fact that the DPRK's invasion of South Korea was the reason we intervened in the first place.

Which is no reason for U.S. involvement.

Wasn't South Korea a dictatorship at the time?

[The Mikado]

Truman was an imperialist internationalist idiot. The invasion of the DPRK, the murder of millions of Japanese civilians when Japan attempted to surrender... all of them point to a warmongering megalomaniac.

Ignoring the fact that the DPRK's invasion of South Korea was the reason we intervened in the first place.

Which is no reason for U.S. involvement.

Wasn't South Korea a dictatorship at the time?

Yes.  Your point?

[Free Palestine]

Truman was an imperialist internationalist idiot. The invasion of the DPRK, the murder of millions of Japanese civilians when Japan attempted to surrender... all of them point to a warmongering megalomaniac.

Ignoring the fact that the DPRK's invasion of South Korea was the reason we intervened in the first place.

Which is no reason for U.S. involvement.

Wasn't South Korea a dictatorship at the time?

Yes.  Your point?

The idea that we were fighting for freedom during the Cold War is utter bullsh-t.

[The Mikado]

Truman was an imperialist internationalist idiot. The invasion of the DPRK, the murder of millions of Japanese civilians when Japan attempted to surrender... all of them point to a warmongering megalomaniac.

Ignoring the fact that the DPRK's invasion of South Korea was the reason we intervened in the first place.

Which is no reason for U.S. involvement.

Wasn't South Korea a dictatorship at the time?

Yes.  Your point?

The idea that we were fighting for freedom during the Cold War is utter bullsh-t.

We were fighting to prevent Soviet and PRC expansion through the Third World.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

Am I really seeing a self-proclaimed Red defending Imperial Japan?  You might want to look up some of the things your man Kim il-Sung said about that regime, if you don't trust Western capitalist propaganda. 

     Maybe he's only opposing the large number of deaths caused by the bombings rather than supporting the Japanese empire. Opposing a military course of action doesn't necessarily mean that you support its intended targets.

[k-onmmunist]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

Am I really seeing a self-proclaimed Red defending Imperial Japan?  You might want to look up some of the things your man Kim il-Sung said about that regime, if you don't trust Western capitalist propaganda.  

     Maybe he's only opposing the untold number of deaths caused by the bombings rather than supporting the Japanese empire. Opposing a military course of action doesn't necessarily mean that you support its intended targets.

True. You really think I'd defend Imperial Japan, Mikado?

[The Mikado]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

Am I really seeing a self-proclaimed Red defending Imperial Japan?  You might want to look up some of the things your man Kim il-Sung said about that regime, if you don't trust Western capitalist propaganda.  

     Maybe he's only opposing the untold number of deaths caused by the bombings rather than supporting the Japanese empire. Opposing a military course of action doesn't necessarily mean that you support its intended targets.

True. You really think I'd defend Imperial Japan, Mikado?

Portraying Japan as a victim in the last days of the war (a victim that struck first against Chinese, British, French, Dutch, and American interests) is disingenuous at best.  One can call into question the Nagasaki attack's necessity (Hiroshima did put Japan on the verge of surrender), but there was little choice in the matter of Hiroshima unless you would've supported full-scale invasions of the Japanese home islands.

A negotiated peace deal that left the militarists in charge of Japan would've been no peace at all.

[Frink]

Which is no reason for U.S. involvement.

Wasn't South Korea a dictatorship at the time?

On the first point we'll agree to disagree. I think the current situation that South Korea enjoys more than justifies our intervention.

On the second point, yes they were. Theirs also a strong possibility that they still would be autocratic if not for our intervention.

The idea that we were fighting for freedom during the Cold War is utter bullsh-t.

Agreed. We were quite obviously fighting to contain the influence of the Soviet Union and, when it suited us, the PRC.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Japan was attempting to surrender when the A-bombs were dropped.

Japan surrender? lol. they are all about dying with pride.

http://worldwar2database.com/html/japansurrender.htm

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http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/hamby.htm

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[k-onmmunist]

Thanks for debunking the usual crap fed to people about this, Libertas.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Thanks for debunking the usual crap fed to people about this, Libertas.

The sad thing is that history just keeps repeating itself.

People scoff at the notion that as unpopular a failure as George W. Bush would one day have the history books vindicate him as a great president, and yet that's precisely what happened to Harry S Truman over the years.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Can we safely agree that during the War of the Pacific, the most justified victims were those tortured in POW camps, slaughtered in Peking, and forced into internment camps here in America?

[Хahar 🤔]

Portraying Japan as a victim in the last days of the war (a victim that struck first against Chinese, British, French, Dutch, and American interests) is disingenuous at best.

To be fair, Japanese interests were rather more legitimate than British, French, Dutch and American interests.