is useful idiot useful?

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

just wondering?

[Eraserhead]

Tool

[useful idiot]

Tool

I thought we were cool, man

[Eraserhead]

Tool

I thought we were cool, man

That's what you took the name from isn't it? Apparently not. lol.

I guess RosettaStoned got me thinking about people using Tool inspired names.

[useful idiot]

Tool

I thought we were cool, man

That's what you took the name from isn't it?

I first heard the term from the "song", yeah. I used it for the political meaning though.

[Bo]

Is HoffmanJohn is a good poster?

And yes, useful idiot is indeed useful.

[Derek]

eh he's ok lol

[Magic 8-Ball]

If this thread had a poll, I'd vote FF.

[Eraserhead]

Tool

I thought we were cool, man

That's what you took the name from isn't it?

I first heard the term from the "song", yeah. I used it for the political meaning though.

I guess I never picked you out as much of a Soviet sympathizer.

[afleitch]

He's okay.

Though indicating that his love for his daughter is not 'unconditional' if she grew up to be lesbian is disconcerting and demonstrates a sinister side in someone who is relatively young

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

He's okay.

Though indicating that his love for his daughter is not 'unconditional' if she grew up to be lesbian is disconcerting and demonstrates a sinister side in someone who is relatively young

Ok that's disturbing.  But as a poster he's fine.

[useful idiot]

He's okay.

Though indicating that his love for his daughter is not 'unconditional' if she grew up to be lesbian is disconcerting and demonstrates a sinister side in someone who is relatively young

Ok that's disturbing.  But as a poster he's fine.

It would be disturbing if I said it, but I didn't, nor did I even come close to saying something like that. The disturbing thing is how the forum gays, sans the two reasonable ones, seem to think that if I didn't fully embrace the fact that she was a lesbian, if she were, then my love is conditional.

If she were in a relationship with a non-Christian or having sex outside of marriage I'd feel the same way, this isn't picking on homosexuality. That doesn't mean I love her any less. I explicitly stated in that conversation that it wouldn't mean that I wouldn't see her as much as possible, talk to her every day I could, support her financially, or tell her how much I love her every chance I get. All I said was that I probably wouldn't let her partner and her stay over at my house and that I probably wouldn't go to any kind of marriage ceremony she were to have, if she chose to. I also said in that thread that it was possible that I would change my mind, but at this point it was unlikely. Considering it was a hypothetical, it's only a remote possibility that I would be placed in that situation, and I made it clear that if she were to tell me she were a lesbian that my perspective would probably change. Although I should add that we weren't talking about lesbians in that thread, but gay sons. I don't even have a son so I'm probably never going to be in that specific situation; I said that if my daughter told me she were a lesbian I'd think she was going through a phase or trying to get attention, like so many girls do nowadays, and that it would take me a couple years to even believe her.

I really don't understand the need for so many gays to get constant validation of their sexual orientation. If somebody thinks homosexuality is anything less than wonderful then they're "sinister" and hateful. Given the fact that I don't oppose gay marriage or gay protections under the law, it doesn't carry over into politics so I don't see any reason for them to care.

[minionofmidas]

Goodness me, what an original topic; let me give that penetrating and original line of questioning my earnest attention...

useful idiot is useful. And an idiot, but he knows that so it's all-good.

[useful idiot]

Goodness me, what an original topic; let me give that penetrating and original line of questioning my earnest attention...

useful idiot is useful. And an idiot, but he knows that so it's all-good.

I can live with that

[minionofmidas]

Goodness me, what an original topic; let me give that penetrating and original line of questioning my earnest attention...

useful idiot is useful. And an idiot, but he knows that so it's all-good.

I can live with that

I need a picture of a human opening a can of catfood and a sarcastically grinning cat in the background. To caption with "useful idiot is useful".

[Torie]

Useful, if your daughter married a non-Christian, you would not let them sleep over at your house? Did I get that right? You do know, that would entail me having to pay a hotel bill somewhere don't you? 

[afleitch]

Given the fact that I don't oppose gay marriage or gay protections under the law, it doesn't carry over into politics so I don't see any reason for them to care.

Interesting; that's an even worse position than I thought you held. You don't oppose them in principle...but would ignore them if your daughter wished to exercise them. You wouldn't attend a civil union/marriage, wouldn't let your daughter's partner stay over. So if they were to visit for say Christmas or Thanksgiving you'd make sure they got a taxi home at the end of the day...

I said that if my daughter told me she were a lesbian I'd think she was going through a phase or trying to get attention, like so many girls do nowadays, and that it would take me a couple years to even believe her.

So in short you wouldn't believe your own daughter; you wouldn't think she knew her own mind. That's very sad actually.

And yes it demonstrates conditional love.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

To me useful idiot isn't useful yet,but i am wondering if me and him could team up and create good debate topics. Brainstorm and stuff.

[The Mikado]

To me useful idiot isn't useful yet,but i am wondering if me and him could team up and create good debate topics. Brainstorm and stuff.

On someone else's board, right?  (crosses fingers)

[Psychic Octopus]

I think useful idiot is a useful and intelligent poster.

[useful idiot]

Given the fact that I don't oppose gay marriage or gay protections under the law, it doesn't carry over into politics so I don't see any reason for them to care.

Interesting; that's an even worse position than I thought you held. You don't oppose them in principle...but would ignore them if your daughter wished to exercise them.

This is stupid. I think lots of things should be legal that I don't wish for my daughter to engage in. I think prostitution should be legalized, but I don't want her turning tricks.

I said that if my daughter told me she were a lesbian I'd think she was going through a phase or trying to get attention, like so many girls do nowadays, and that it would take me a couple years to even believe her.

So in short you wouldn't believe your own daughter; you wouldn't think she knew her own mind. That's very sad actually.

And yes it demonstrates conditional love.

Half the teenage chicks in the U.S. goes through a bi or lesbian phase nowadays, a bi-product of the homosexual agenda. That's what's "very sad"

I love how you're making moral judgements about me and telling me about love, when nobody can do the same to you or other gays, lest they be subject to nasty bitchiness.

I also love how you're even pretending to understand the relationship between a father and his daughter, something you'll never experience. Which brings me to another point, I'm sorry for wanting grandkids, that must make me a terrible person too...

[??????????]

Wow, we're like carbon copies. FF

[Franzl]

"homosexual agenda"....and what agenda would that be, precisely?

[??????????]

"homosexual agenda"....and what agenda would that be, precisely?

see : Justin Beiber aka the emasculation of men.

[useful idiot]

"homosexual agenda"....and what agenda would that be, precisely?

The constant media campaign to promote homosexuality as both an identity worthy of special recognition and as a subculture. It leads to the impression that it is an "alternative lifestyle" that one should be thankful for and celebrate, rather than what it is, an inclination to want to have sex with someone of the same gender. This is coupled with the fact that the heterosexual male is constantly under attack, presenting men as animals whose only goal in life is to sleep with as many women as possible and treat them as horribly as they can. Also unfortunate is the glorification of casual female bisexuality through the promotion of the idea that all men think it's hot when chicks have sex with each other. This leads girls to either want to be lesbians, because they think all men are dogs, or to become promiscuous in order to please men because of societal pressure. Neither is a positive development and neither can be separated from the other.