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« on: June 07, 2010, 07:00:12 PM »
« edited: June 07, 2010, 07:14:23 PM by Lunar »

Really, the other thread is COMPLETELY unusable to actually talk about the foreign policy implications of the attack.  Every good post gets buried by an array of biblical verses.

I was learning a lot from fellow posters before certain poster(s) waded in and started dumping.  

Anyway...

Israelis find who to blame for Flotilla fiasco: Arab Knesset Members

http://www.promisedlandblog.com/?p=3009

House Committee recommended revoking special privileges from Arab MK Hanin Zoabi. Other Arab MKs received threats from public and house members alike

Today, Israelis took their anger and frustration over the disastrous raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla on Arab Members of Knesset.

The Knesset’s House Committee recommended revoking special privileges from Arab MK Hanin Zoabi, who was on the Mavi Marmara. Though it was never claimed that MK Zoabi had anything to do with the attack on the soldiers, and she definitely didn’t break any law by boarding the ship in Turkey, the decision against her was passed by a majority of seven to one, with only MK Ilan Gilon of Meretz opposing it.

During the debate, Committee Chairman Yariv Levin from Netanyahu’s Likud party expelled from the room Both MK Gilon and Hadash Jewish MK Dov Khenin who tried to defend Zoabi. Gilon later returned to take part in the vote (Khenin is not a committee member).

Haaretz reports:

The Knesset committee recommended rescinding from Zuabi three key privileges usually granted to Knesset Members. One is the privilege to exit the country – which is supposed to prevent Zoabi from fleeing Israel if she commits a felony or has debts in Israel.

Another privilege is carrying a diplomatic passport, which according to the Knesset’s legal adviser, is a privilege that does not grant diplomatic immunity so revoking it would not make it more difficult for Zuabi to fulfill her duties.

The third privilege is the right to have the Knesset cover litigation fees of an MK if he or she is put on trial.

The revocation of Zuabi’s privileges is conditional on the approval of the Knesset plenum.

Zuabi has been receiving death threats in recent days, and there was even a Facebook group calling to execute her. She became the first MK to have bodyguards escorting her even inside the Knesset, after last week several Knesset members tried to prevent her from speaking, and came near to physically attacking her.

Arab MK Ahmed Tibi also received death threats today. An anonymous called told his that “your days are numbered. If a beloved Prime Minister was murdered, what’s killing you compared to that?”. You can here the threats (in Hebrew) on the audio player in this report. Notice the comments to the article, many of them claiming Tibi “deserves it”. Arab MK Taleb el-Sana received today death threats by fax. There was also a Facebook group calling to burn him.

You don’t have to look far in order to find the people inciting the public against the Arab MKs. This morning, all Arab Knesset members received a letter from their colleague MK Michael Ben-Ari – a known racist and the student of the late Rabi Meir Kahana, whose movement, Kach, was outlawed both in Israel and in the US – informing them that:

“Tomorrow the Knesset committee will decide on revoking the immunity of the Knesset Members who are collaborating with the enemy. The first debate will be regarding your friend MK Zoabi, who led the terror flotilla to Gaza.

“After we deal with her your turn will come! The people had enough with the use of Israeli democracy to destroy the state. Tomorrow it will be Zoabi, and next week yourselves!”

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 07:00:50 PM »

Egypt authorities: Gaza border to stay open indefinitely

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/egypt-authorities-gaza-border-to-stay-open-indefinitely-1.294723

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2010, 07:05:22 PM »

You could have felt free to delete the posts of mine in the other thread, I feel sorry for allowing myself to succumb to Jmfcst's attempts to pick a fight. I thought maybe I could shut him up, but I should have realized long ago that it's an impossibility.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2010, 07:08:51 PM »

You could have felt free to delete the posts of mine in the other thread

Lunar can't do that.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 07:11:45 PM »

You could have felt free to delete the posts of mine in the other thread, I feel sorry for allowing myself to succumb to Jmfcst's attempts to pick a fight. I thought maybe I could shut him up, but I should have realized long ago that it's an impossibility.

Note the title of this thread Smiley    ("The place to actually talk about the attack.").   I don't have any hard feelings or annoyance, I just want  to be able to talk about the attack.  Talk about the other thread in the other thread.  



Back to the thread.

The Israeli government sent this out to all of the foreign correspondents in Israel, but then a few minutes later sent out a follow-up email saying it was a mistake.  They said it's not Israel's official view, but it is "fantastic"  :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&feature=player_embedded

Lovely.


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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 07:15:27 PM »

I'd like to throw a liferaft to this post of mine from the other thread (which I deleted in its other location):

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Wow, I've never seen so many things wrong with so few words.  Very impressive and perhaps deserving of some sort of an award.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/06/026449.php


edit: And if you can't find at least four things wrong with the above, groan.   And the fact that the Rasmussen poll didn't show that whatsoever doesn't count, as I just told you that one and there are so many other things wrong.   And these people say Obama is the one shredding the Constitution and acting like a fascist?
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 07:34:06 PM »

JMF, what does this attack tell us, if anything, what's in store for the near future and Iran?
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 07:56:11 PM »

Click for more, first 3 paragraphs below, posted without comment

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-07/israels-gaza-blockade-crisis-shows-its-out-of-touch-with-america/

This week, Elliott Abrams, the former Bush official and noted neoconservative, wrote an essay in the Weekly Standard attacking the Obama administration for not more forcefully defending Israel during the flotilla crisis. Abrams said the White House had joined an anti-Israeli “lynch mob.” Over the course of the article, he used the metaphor six times.

It’s remarkable when you think about it. To Americans with even the slightest degree of racial awareness, “lynch mob” conjures something quite particular: African American men hanging from trees in the post-civil war South. To deploy the metaphor to describe a United Nations resolution that obliquely criticizes Israel is audacious. To deploy it to describe the support for that resolution by America’s first African-American president is downright astonishing. It’s a bit like calling Joe Lieberman’s opposition health-care reform a “pogrom.”

Why does Abrams’ metaphor matter? Because it shows how out of touch the Israeli government’s American defenders are with, well, America. There’s an irony here. The Netanyahu government is filled with Americans. The prime minister himself attended high school in the Philadelphia suburbs. Ron Dermer, one of his closest advisors, was born in Miami Beach. His ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, hails from New Jersey. In addition, prominent Americans like Abrams regularly appear in the U.S. media to echo the Netanyahu line. But paradoxically, this familiarity breeds overconfidence and ignorance. When Netanyahu travels to Washington, he speaks before Jewish audiences that mostly dislike Barack Obama’s Israel policy, even though according to a recent American Jewish Committee survey, American Jews overall support it by a margin of close to two to one. When he’s not speaking to right-wing Jews, he’s speaking to right-wing Christians. And when he’s not speaking to right-wing Christians, he’s speaking to former Bush administration officials who expect to soon be back in their old jobs. As an Obama official once told me about the Netanyahu team, with amazement, “these guys are actually waiting for President Palin.”
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 11:12:03 PM »

"Democracy"
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 07:36:06 AM »

Anyone else reckon that Bibi is a Syrian plant?
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 06:52:03 PM »
« Edited: June 08, 2010, 06:56:21 PM by Lunar »

A video from the above statement of the Knesset having a little anger at an Arab member (referenced above): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBUxZnHb2ig&feature=player_embedded#!










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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 07:30:51 PM »

A video from the above statement of the Knesset having a little anger at an Arab member (referenced above): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBUxZnHb2ig&feature=player_embedded#!










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[interrupter: "I suggest we see if she has a knife on her!"

second interrupter: "No, a chainsaw!"]
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2010, 12:00:04 AM »

Not that this will change anybody's mind, but Rueters is dicking with pics......again.
Link to a Google search so you can pick the biased reporting of your choice.
Them aint kitchen knives and Reuters isn't a trusted news agency.
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