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« on: October 30, 2004, 04:31:00 AM »

...someone in Puerto Rico or DC or Guam wants to be President. Will that be allowed? Also, suppose Bush orders the occupation of Iraq and all Iraqis are Americans. So could Iraqis run? They are now "born" in the USA.
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2004, 06:35:19 AM »

Your first question, I believe the constitutution requires any natural born citizen may run for President.  So yes, someone born in Puerto Rico or Guam are US citizens and are constitutionally eligible to run for President.  Your second question, no, Iraqis are not US citizens.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2004, 09:02:19 AM »

The answer to the first question is yes.  Note that McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and was eligible to run.  The answer to the second question is no, because Iraq is not a US territory.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2004, 10:52:47 AM »

And Buchannan (Pat, not James) was born in DC.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2004, 01:29:55 AM »

The answer to the first question is yes.  Note that McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and was eligible to run.  The answer to the second question is no, because Iraq is not a US territory.

I mean, if the US occupies a foreign land (Lichtenstein) then could its citizens run, since Lichtenstein is now part of the USA.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2004, 01:37:53 AM »

The answer to the first question is yes.  Note that McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and was eligible to run.  The answer to the second question is no, because Iraq is not a US territory.

I mean, if the US occupies a foreign land (Lichtenstein) then could its citizens run, since Lichtenstein is now part of the USA.

No, it doesn't work that way.  Occupation is different from annexation.  If the US annexed Lichtenstein, then its population would become US citizens.  An example would be that the United States occupied Japan for 10 years after WWII.  But the Japanese didn't become US citizens, because the US didn't annex Japan.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2004, 10:29:53 AM »

Lets say that...someone in Puerto Rico or DC or Guam wants to be President. Will that be allowed?

Guess I'd never thought about this before. Territorials are citizens and can therefore run for President but they cannot vote for President?
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2004, 01:56:46 AM »

...someone in Puerto Rico or DC or Guam wants to be President. Will that be allowed?
The Constitutional requirement is for the President to be a natural born citizen.  That is, their citizenship must be due to the nature or condition of their birth.  Persons born in Puerto Rico, DC, or Guam are US citizens.  In addition, children born to two American citizen parents, or one parent who has lived in the US for a sufficient time after certain age (I think it is something like 4 years after 14) are natural born citizens.  Other citizens are naturalized, and are not eligible to be President or Vice President.

There is also a requirement that the President be a resident within the United States for 14 years.  Residents of Puerto Rico or Guam might well not qualify.  Though they are territories of the United States they are not one of the 50 United States.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2004, 02:40:54 PM »

And Buchannan (Pat, not James) was born in DC.

And Al Gore for that matter!
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2004, 08:33:42 PM »

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona while it was still a territory...some objections were raised but were quickly shot down.

Someone born in the Philippines in 1897 would not qualify, as it was Spanish at the time of birth, regardless of whether they were later given citizenship by act of Congress.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2004, 06:20:46 PM »

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona while it was still a territory...some objections were raised but were quickly shot down.
George Romney (Milt's father) was born in Mexico, where his US-citizen parents were living at the time.  He was therefore a US citizen from birth.  When he was running for president, there were some questions about his eligiblity, that were generally dismissed.

The following suggests that the situation might not be all that clear cut - but it may also simply be an indication that a specific case requiring resolution has never been presented to Congress or the Courts.

Annotated US Constitution - Article 2 (see Clause 5. Qualifications, Page 433)

I highly recommend the following link.

Annotated US Constitution.  You should have this bookmarked.
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