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« on: May 03, 2010, 12:51:55 PM »

China May ‘Crash’ in Next 9 to 12 Months, Faber Says

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By Shiyin Chen and Haslinda Amin

May 3 (Bloomberg) -- Investor Marc Faber said China’s economy will slow and possibly “crash” within a year as declines in stock and commodity prices signal the nation’s property bubble is set to burst.

The Shanghai Composite Index has failed to regain its 2009 high while industrial commodities and shares of Australian resource exporters are acting “heavy,” Faber said. The opening of the World Expo in Shanghai last week is “not a particularly good omen,” he said, citing a property bust and depression that followed the 1873 World Exhibition in Vienna.

“The market is telling you that something is not quite right,” Faber, the publisher of the Gloom, Boom & Doom report, said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Hong Kong today. “The Chinese economy is going to slow down regardless. It is more likely that we will even have a crash sometime in the next nine to 12 months.”

An index tracking Chinese stocks traded in Hong Kong dropped 1.8 percent today, the most in two weeks, after the central bank raised reserve requirements for the third time this year. The Shanghai Composite has slumped 12 percent this year, Asia’s worst performer, as policy makers seek to rein in a lending boom that’s spurred record gains in property prices. China’s markets are shut for a holiday today.

Copper touched a seven-week low and BHP Billiton Ltd., the world’s biggest mining company, fell the most since February on concern spending in the world’s third-largest economy will slow and after Australia boosted taxes on commodities producers. Rio Tinto Ltd., the third-largest, slid as much as 6 percent.

Chanos, Rogoff

Faber joins hedge fund manager Jim Chanos and Harvard University’s Kenneth Rogoff in warning of a crash in China.

China is “on a treadmill to hell” because it’s hooked on property development for driving growth, Chanos said in an interview last month. As much as 60 percent of the country’s gross domestic product relies on construction, he said. Rogoff said in February a debt-fueled bubble in China may trigger a regional recession within a decade.

The government has banned loans for third homes and raised mortgage rates and down-payment requirements for second-home purchases. Prices rose 11.7 percent across 70 cities in March from a year earlier, the most since data began in 2005.

The government has stopped short of raising interest rates to contain property prices. Within an hour of the central bank announcement on reserve ratios, Finance Minister Xie Xuren said that officials remained committed to expansionary policies to cement the nation’s recovery.

Stocks ‘Fully Priced’

The nation’s economy grew 11.9 percent in the first quarter, the fastest pace in almost three years. The government projects gross domestic product growth for the year of about 8 percent.

The clampdown on property speculation may prompt investors to turn to the nation’s stock market, Faber said. Still, shares are “fully priced” and Chinese investors may instead become “big buyers” of gold, he said.

BlackRock Inc. is among money managers reducing their holdings on Chinese stocks on expectations that economic growth has peaked. The BlackRock Emerging Markets Fund has widened its “underweight” position for China versus the MSCI Emerging Markets Index to about 7.5 percent from 4.6 percent at the end of March, the fund’s London-based co-manager Dan Tubbs said.

Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd., China Construction Bank Corp. and Bank of China Ltd, the nation’s three largest banks, are trading near their lowest valuations on record as rising profits are eclipsed by concern bad loans will increase.

Local Governments

Citigroup Inc. warned in March that in a “worst case scenario,” the non-performing loans of local-government investment vehicles, used to channel money to stimulus projects, could swell to 2.4 trillion yuan by 2011.

Housing prices nationwide may fall as much as 20 percent in the second half of the year on government measures to curb speculation, BNP Paribas said April 23. Under a stress test conducted by the Shanghai branch of the China Banking Regulatory Commission in February, local banks’ ratio of delinquent mortgages would triple should home prices in the country’s commercial center decline 10 percent.

Shanghai is projecting as many as 70 million visitors to the $44 billion World Expo, more than 10 times the number who traveled to the 2008 Beijing Olympics. More than 433,000 people visited the 5.3 square-kilometer (3.3 square-mile) park on its first weekend.

To contact the reporter on this story: Shiyin Chen in Singapore at schen37@bloomberg.net
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 10:31:54 PM »

I always thought China's rise was overrated. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 10:54:50 PM »

What would this do to the U.S.?
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 11:44:01 PM »


It might slow down our economy since we have become so dependent on trade with China. Similar to how the financial crisis in the U.S. in late 2008 hurt almost all worldwide economies.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 01:33:42 AM »

A lot of people are about to lose their shirts.

Buy hey, there are hundreds of millions of still destitute people out there. This is not Japan in 1990.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 02:37:16 AM »


It might slow down our economy since we have become so dependent on trade with China. Similar to how the financial crisis in the U.S. in late 2008 hurt almost all worldwide economies.

No, trade with China is just a negative for US GDP, incomes, etc.  If China 'collapses', it doesn't mean we can't still buy cheap junk from them from Walmart, and since we don't export much to them anyway, there's little negative effect trade-wise.

There might be some minor negative in terms of investment losses, and GM couldn't sell as many Buicks there, but overall it wouldn't be much of a negative for the US economy (much like Asian economic crisis of 1997 didn't end up having any negative effect in the US).
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2010, 01:43:11 AM »

As I've said before, there is no reason to worry about being "taken over" by China.  They have a LOT bigger issues than we do.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2010, 05:07:14 PM »


It might slow down our economy since we have become so dependent on trade with China. Similar to how the financial crisis in the U.S. in late 2008 hurt almost all worldwide economies.

No, trade with China is just a negative for US GDP, incomes, etc.  If China 'collapses', it doesn't mean we can't still buy cheap junk from them from Walmart, and since we don't export much to them anyway, there's little negative effect trade-wise.

There might be some minor negative in terms of investment losses, and GM couldn't sell as many Buicks there, but overall it wouldn't be much of a negative for the US economy (much like Asian economic crisis of 1997 didn't end up having any negative effect in the US).

That was what I figured.  I figured it'd almost be a "good" thing for the U.S., in terms of keeping chigna from becoming more of an economic superpower than the U.S.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2010, 07:47:40 PM »

He may be right, but I'm not too worried about that at the moment.

Actually, the Asian crisis of 1997 had a huge negative impact on the US. That is precisely when those countries started keeping very low currencies and a "savings glut", exporting all of their debt here, where we stupidly took it.* That is part of why we are in the shape we are in today.

* If you look at the numbers, both the dot-com and housing bubbles started in 1998.
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