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« on: October 28, 2004, 09:37:58 AM »

I know they don't have any electoral votes but don't they still vote for president?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2004, 09:51:17 AM »

News to me
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2004, 10:24:24 AM »

They don't.  Guam does.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2004, 10:32:49 AM »


Are Guam votes included in Hawaii?

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2004, 10:39:29 AM »

Puerto Rico, Guam, the Philippines (before 1946) all got to vote in Presidential Primaries (and had their own delegates), but they don't get to vote in the Presidential election.

How on earth would Guam participate without EV's?
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2004, 10:39:57 AM »

It's strictly an "advisory" vote.  It doesn't actually count for anything.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2004, 10:44:23 AM »

Puerto Rico, Guam, the Philippines (before 1946) all got to vote in Presidential Primaries (and had their own delegates), but they don't get to vote in the Presidential election.

How on earth would Guam participate without EV's?


That was the same with Hawaii and Alaska before 1959 correct?
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2004, 10:52:09 AM »

And with Arizona and New Mexico before 1912, yep.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2004, 06:21:22 PM »

Guam Straw Poll Results:

With 100 percent of precincts reporting--

Bush 21,448
Kerry's 11,748

No surprise; Guam always votes Republican.
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2004, 06:52:08 PM »

Is there a Puerto Rico poll of any kind at all?
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2004, 07:37:50 PM »

Guam Straw Poll Results:

With 100 percent of precincts reporting--

Bush 21,448
Kerry's 11,748

No surprise; Guam always votes Republican.

Well in that case, let's give it three Electoral Votes to offset DC.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2004, 07:46:53 PM »

Guam can become a state for all I care. Even though their culture is probably nothing like ours.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2004, 07:50:47 PM »

Guam can become a state for all I care. Even though their culture is probably nothing like ours.

They are like 95% military.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2004, 09:58:06 PM »

No surprise; Guam always votes Republican.

Not really.  Guam has a reputation of predicting the election (trying to find a link for past Guam straw polls).  When I lived there, Ronnie was getting ready for his run for re-election, and reporters were there doing news stories on the "predictor."

Hafa Adai!

KUAM's election 2004 site for Guam
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2004, 10:00:54 PM »

Guam can become a state for all I care. Even though their culture is probably nothing like ours.

Guam cannot become a state since they'd never have a population large enough.  As far as the culture goes, there are very few true Guamanians left on the island.  With the dominating spanish and American cultural influences on the island, it isn't much different than the Southwest US. 
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2004, 10:02:42 PM »


Actually, no.  Very few military personnel actually give up their mainland residence status and claim Guam home.  Therefore, they cannot vote in local elections (all absentee ballots).  Those reflected in the polls are the locals who make their living off of the military and commercial shipping support industries.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2004, 02:11:19 PM »

If Guam were merged with the other Mariana Islands, there would be a total population of 244,000, which while smaller than any other State, wouldn't be too out of whack as to make it toatally rediculous  However, while guam itself is in fairly good shape economically, I can't see the Northern Marianas or any of the other states formed out the old trust territory as being able to function economically within the United States, so exapansion of Guam into alarger terrotory to qualify for statehood is while possible, not likely politically.  However, statehood for Guam is the obvious quid pro quo for DC statehood, given the politics in both places.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2004, 02:15:50 PM »

I'd love for Puerto Rico and DC to become states. That'd be a total of four more Democratic senators and and at least two more Dem house members.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2004, 02:18:57 PM »

I'd love for Puerto Rico and DC to become states. That'd be a total of four more Democratic senators and and at least two more Dem house members.

And I'd love for Wyoming to be divide into 200 states. What's your point?
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2004, 02:20:58 PM »

I'd love for Puerto Rico and DC to become states. That'd be a total of four more Democratic senators and and at least two more Dem house members.

And I'd love for Wyoming to be divide into 200 states. What's your point?

I think there's a better chance of DC and PR becoming states. I dunno, just a thought.
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2004, 02:23:13 PM »

No, there's no chance that DC will become a state, and very little that Puerto Rico will.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2004, 02:24:29 PM »

No, there's no chance that DC will become a state, and very little that Puerto Rico will.

But there's a better chance then Wyoming being divided into 200 states. Silly.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2004, 02:27:12 PM »

I can still dream.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2004, 02:30:10 PM »


No, you cannot.

Well done, Rove.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2004, 02:36:50 PM »

No, there's no chance that DC will become a state, and very little that Puerto Rico will.

Puerto Rico has the right to become a state if their population approves of the move, however, they would lose a lot of their current economic privalleges by becoming a state.  

DC, on the other hand, should never be given the right to become a state.  Those that complain that they aren't represented in Congress can easily pack their bags and move somewhere else.  DC is the home of our nations government, and should never be overlapped by a state government for control.  The governing council is more than adequate to control the day-to-day operations of the city.  
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