269-269 EV

[ShapeShifter]

what would happen if a EV tied happen?

[dunn]

what would happen if a EV tied happen?

we discusses that in a diffrent thread but it happen to us all as newcomers....
wellcome to the forum


the house will vote with each state is a single vote - Bush wins

and it is my prediction in the predicrions map area

[ShapeShifter]

what would happen if a EV tied happen?

we discusses that in a diffrent thread but it happen to us all as newcomers....
wellcome to the forum


the house will vote with each state is a single vote - Bush wins

and it is my prediction in the predicrions map area

You mean the Senate house?

What if say, Kerry won the popular vote?

That would make the Florida situation look like nothing.

[ShapeShifter]

what would happen if a EV tied happen?

we discusses that in a diffrent thread but it happen to us all as newcomers....
wellcome to the forum


O, by the way, Thanks for the WELCOME

I am from New York also.

[dunn]

the house
and the Pv here have no meanning

check the constitution

[ShapeShifter]

the house
and the Pv here have no meanning

check the constitution

I heard of this before just was not 100 percent sure.

However, You don't think people would be P.O.ed if congress went against the PV?

[dunn]

the house
and the Pv here have no meanning

check the constitution

I heard of this before just was not 100 percent sure.

However, You don't think people would be P.O.ed if congress went against the PV?

yes, but remember Gore won the PV in 2000

[The Vorlon]

Amendment XII

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

[Wakie]

The trouble with a 269-269 tie is how to deal with a Congressman who is from party A but whose congressional district voted for party B.  By all rights the Congressman SHOULD vote for the candidate of party B, but there is no law which forces them to do so.

A 269-269 tie would be a disaster.

[angus]

Check out Dave Liep's 1824 general election results map.  It's not a tie, but it shows the house results.  No laws of men or gods force any member of the house to vote in particular way.  But money speaks loudly.

[dunn]

It is very important, in my opinion, to point out the reason that this is even a possibility. Prior to the 1964 election the number of electoral votes had always been an *ODD* number... This is because electoral votes are determined by the number of Senators(2) and Representatives in a state. Obviously the number of Reps HAS to be ODD to prevent a tie. The Senate does not because the VP get 1/2 vote. So the number of electoral votes was *ALWAYS* an odd number.
However, due the fact that Washington DC is totally not represented it was give 3 electoral votes, making the total an even number.

This could easily be prevented by giving the winner of the popular vote ONE ADDITIONAL ELECTORAL VOTE.
Any odd number between 1-99 of electoral votes would accomplish this, the higher the number the more likely that the pop winner would be the ec winner also:
(102 is suggested in the following link)

http://www.fairvote.org/e_college/reform.htm#ECPopularBonus

no my friend

check the 1870's
it was even