Competitive Presidential Elections Bill [on presidents desk]

[Bacon King]

Anyone up for amending this bill to add the one week limit back?

[bgwah]

Anyone up for amending this bill to add the one week limit back?

Pardon my Senate newbiness, but I'm not sure how I would go about this. I would happily allow this amendment, and would even get rid of the rest of the bill that nobody seems to care for. That would make this bill only deal with the one week limit and nothing else. Better than nothing... 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Anyone up for amending this bill to add the one week limit back?

Pardon my Senate newbiness, but I'm not sure how I would go about this. I would happily allow this amendment, and would even get rid of the rest of the bill that nobody seems to care for. That would make this bill only deal with the one week limit and nothing else. Better than nothing... 

On the job Training-Lesson number one: The sponsor of a bill can offer an amendment to his own bill, because the sponsor offers it he automatically is accepting it as friendly. Senators have 24 hours after the amendment was offered to request a vote.

[Badger]

I don't care whether the presidential candidate and the VP nominee to come from the same party. The only thing we could do better is that the candidates must fixed 2 weeks before the election. I'm not a fan of such actions like the last time. In this 2 weeks we could have a chance for a good and interesting campaign.

That's actually not a bad idea, although I think just 1 week would be easer.

Agree, fwiw.

[bgwah]

Before I offer to amend my bill, I would like to ask others if they think the one week limit should apply to all federal offices (ie, Senate) or just the Presidency. Thoughts?

[tmthforu94]

Hm, I honestly have no preference either way. Actually, if I were to introduce it, I would do just Presidential, but I would be fine with Senatorial too.

[Fritz]

Guys, what is going on here?  We just passed a law relatively recently (December) shortening the declaration deadline to 24 hours.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=106525.0

Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time.  Why are we re-considering this now?

[bgwah]

Guys, what is going on here?  We just passed a law relatively recently (December) shortening the declaration deadline to 24 hours.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=106525.0

Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time.  Why are we re-considering this now?

Because what happened in the February election as a result was really lame.

Really, there should be more than a day before the voting starts.

There wasn't really much time to have debates or any of our normal pre-voting activity.

I suspect that in the future, if we maintain the 24 hour limit, we will see all major tickets wait until the the very last minute to declare because they think it will strategically advantage them. That's no fun at all. How much campaigning did Afleitch, for example, really do? There wasn't a lot he could do given how late he declared.

Maybe we can keep the shorter date for Senate elections... They're much more likely to have one (or none) candidates and there may be some benefit of having a shorter time limit.

[Fritz]

Shortening the deadline does not stop anyone from declaring at the last minute, and running as a write-in.  Would Afleitch/Smid still have won in that scenario?   Who knows.  I myself proved in the December elections that a write-in candidate can indeed win.

I disagree that parties would wait to declare based on a perceived strategic advantage.  Surely it is to a candidate's advantage to get his name out early?

[bgwah]

Shortening the deadline does not stop anyone from declaring at the last minute, and running as a write-in.  Would Afleitch/Smid still have won in that scenario?   Who knows.  I myself proved in the December elections that a write-in candidate can indeed win.

I disagree that parties would wait to declare based on a perceived strategic advantage.  Surely it is to a candidate's advantage to get his name out early?

The earlier you declare, the longer the opposition has to craft the the perfect counter ticket.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I seem to remember that constitutional issues where behind (at least in part) the December legislation.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Shortening the deadline does not stop anyone from declaring at the last minute, and running as a write-in.  Would Afleitch/Smid still have won in that scenario?   Who knows.  I myself proved in the December elections that a write-in candidate can indeed win.

I disagree that parties would wait to declare based on a perceived strategic advantage.  Surely it is to a candidate's advantage to get his name out early?

Sometimes candidates wait to see who else is running and whether that candidate would take potential votes away from them. I'm just playing devils advocate here ..

[Bacon King]

Ok, anybody want to make any amendments?

[bgwah]

May I change it to the following? The original amendment lists "1. 2. 2. 3." (link) which is confusing so I feel I need to amend the entire thing to correct the numbering so as not to have any doubt as to which part I'm attempting to amend.

Second Amendment to the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act

Section 8 of the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act is amended as follows:

1. The candidacy declaration deadline for regular elections to the Senate shall be twenty-four hours before the earliest possible commencement of the election and for special elections to the Senate shall be twenty-four hours before the commencement of the election.
2. A candidate for a regular or special election to the Senate may withdraw their candidacy up to twenty-four hours before the earliest possible commencement of the election
3. The candidacy declaration deadline for full tickets of a Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidate to declare shall be seven days before the earliest possible commencement of the election. However, should the Vice-Presidential candidate withdraw his candidacy, then the Presidential candidate may nominate a new Vice-Presidential candidate up to seventy-two hours before the commencement of the election.
4. In all cases, the assent of both the Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidate shall be necessary for them to appear together as a ticket on the ballot.


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Feel free to tell me I'm an idiot if I'm doing something wrong.

[Bacon King]

That looks good; I assume you're friendlily amending it? If so, other Senators have twenty-four hours to object.

[Fritz]

I'm okay with this, as amended

[Bacon King]

Senators, there is now a final vote on this legislation, shown below for your convenience. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.

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[Bacon King]

Aye

[Badger]

AYE.

[k-onmmunist]

ABSTAIN

[tmthforu94]

Aye

[Fritz]

Aye

[bgwah]

aye

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Aye

[Bacon King]

With six ayes, one declared abstention, and no votes in the negative, this bill hereby passes with the 24 hour waiting period waived due to a lack of opposition. The bill now goes to President Afleitch.