Birds and Bees Bill (Law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: Winston Disraeli

[k-onmmunist]

Simple enough really: Puberty occurs much earlier than it used to and the federal laws should be adjusted to show this. It also makes no sense to prosecute people of that age for sexual relations, in my eyes.

[tmthforu94]

Do we have any data supporting the fact that puberty occurs earlier?
My main concern here is simply the fact that, as a teenager myself, and only being 14 a couple years ago, I worry about how good of decisions a 14 year old kid will make.

[k-onmmunist]

Do we have any data supporting the fact that puberty occurs earlier?
My main concern here is simply the fact that, as a teenager myself, and only being 14 a couple years ago, I worry about how good of decisions a 14 year old kid will make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_manifestations_to_lower_the_age_of_consent#Researches

If we lower the age of consent, it will also help stop teen pregnancy and STDs by allowing easier access to protection. There ARE people who are capable of making those decisions at 14 and it is harmful to keep it higher than that for these reasons.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Regardless of whether puberty occurs earlier. Judgement does not and in fact it appears that is occuring later and later. As such we should not allow people of this age to engage in sexual relations because it is unlikely that they will understand the consequences of their actions.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Do we have any data supporting the fact that puberty occurs earlier?
My main concern here is simply the fact that, as a teenager myself, and only being 14 a couple years ago, I worry about how good of decisions a 14 year old kid will make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_manifestations_to_lower_the_age_of_consent#Researches

If we lower the age of consent, it will also help stop teen pregnancy and STDs by allowing easier access to protection. There ARE people who are capable of making those decisions at 14 and it is harmful to keep it higher than that for these reasons.

Yes 1 or 2 out of 1,000 will always be mature. But should we just abandon the other 998 to their irresponsibility.

[k-onmmunist]

Do we have any data supporting the fact that puberty occurs earlier?
My main concern here is simply the fact that, as a teenager myself, and only being 14 a couple years ago, I worry about how good of decisions a 14 year old kid will make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_manifestations_to_lower_the_age_of_consent#Researches

If we lower the age of consent, it will also help stop teen pregnancy and STDs by allowing easier access to protection. There ARE people who are capable of making those decisions at 14 and it is harmful to keep it higher than that for these reasons.

Yes 1 or 2 out of 1,000 will always be mature. But should we just abandon the other 998 to their irresponsibility.

It's more than that, and if we continue with our current policy, the problem will never get better.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Do we have any data supporting the fact that puberty occurs earlier?
My main concern here is simply the fact that, as a teenager myself, and only being 14 a couple years ago, I worry about how good of decisions a 14 year old kid will make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_manifestations_to_lower_the_age_of_consent#Researches

If we lower the age of consent, it will also help stop teen pregnancy and STDs by allowing easier access to protection. There ARE people who are capable of making those decisions at 14 and it is harmful to keep it higher than that for these reasons.

Yes 1 or 2 out of 1,000 will always be mature. But should we just abandon the other 998 to their irresponsibility.

It's more than that, and if we continue with our current policy, the problem will never get better.

What problem are you trying to fix. All I see is this creating more problems.

[k-onmmunist]

Do we have any data supporting the fact that puberty occurs earlier?
My main concern here is simply the fact that, as a teenager myself, and only being 14 a couple years ago, I worry about how good of decisions a 14 year old kid will make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_manifestations_to_lower_the_age_of_consent#Researches

If we lower the age of consent, it will also help stop teen pregnancy and STDs by allowing easier access to protection. There ARE people who are capable of making those decisions at 14 and it is harmful to keep it higher than that for these reasons.

Yes 1 or 2 out of 1,000 will always be mature. But should we just abandon the other 998 to their irresponsibility.

It's more than that, and if we continue with our current policy, the problem will never get better.

What problem are you trying to fix. All I see is this creating more problems.

The problems of teenage pregnancy and STDs. If we lower the age of consent, we could provide protection to younger people which would prevent the spread of both.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Do we have any data supporting the fact that puberty occurs earlier?
My main concern here is simply the fact that, as a teenager myself, and only being 14 a couple years ago, I worry about how good of decisions a 14 year old kid will make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_manifestations_to_lower_the_age_of_consent#Researches

If we lower the age of consent, it will also help stop teen pregnancy and STDs by allowing easier access to protection. There ARE people who are capable of making those decisions at 14 and it is harmful to keep it higher than that for these reasons.

Yes 1 or 2 out of 1,000 will always be mature. But should we just abandon the other 998 to their irresponsibility.

It's more than that, and if we continue with our current policy, the problem will never get better.

What problem are you trying to fix. All I see is this creating more problems.

The problems of teenage pregnancy and STDs. If we lower the age of consent, we could provide protection to younger people which would prevent the spread of both.

And so your solution is to open floodgates, say go forth and multiply to people as young as 14. The use of protection again is a measure of responsiblity, and a realization of the potential consequences of the act, in this case sex. Even if access is increased to contraceptives, too few will take advantage of it.

[Bacon King]

A couple questions/remarks:

1. What is the current age of consent in Atlasia? I would honestly prefer an AoC at 16 years old with a two or three year "window" for people close in age.

2. Would this override regional laws or only apply to areas of direct federal jurisdiction?

[k-onmmunist]

How do you know? I somehow doubt that 14 years old (with some exceptions) want to get pregnant, and I doubt even more that they want to pick up HIV or syphilis or gonorrhea or something equally nasty. So they would probably use contraceptives.

[k-onmmunist]

A couple questions/remarks:

1. What is the current age of consent in Atlasia? I would honestly prefer an AoC at 16 years old with a two or three year "window" for people close in age.

2. Would this override regional laws or only apply to areas of direct federal jurisdiction?

1. There isn't a federal age of consent, I don't think.
2. It would only be a federal law. Regions could set their own.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

How do you know? I somehow doubt that 14 years old (with some exceptions) want to get pregnant, and I doubt even more that they want to pick up HIV or syphilis or gonorrhea or something equally nasty. So they would probably use contraceptives.

I doubt that people that young would even thing about that or consider the potential dangers. The youngest people in this country today are the dumbest and most self-absorbed generation ever spawned. I doubt seriously whether they care about anything other then momentary impulse.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A couple questions/remarks:

1. What is the current age of consent in Atlasia? I would honestly prefer an AoC at 16 years old with a two or three year "window" for people close in age.

2. Would this override regional laws or only apply to areas of direct federal jurisdiction?

1. There isn't a federal age of consent, I don't think.
2. It would only be a federal law. Regions could set their own.

As currently written this bill would overide Regional law, so you better add a provision to the bill stating that is the case.

[k-onmmunist]

How do you know? I somehow doubt that 14 years old (with some exceptions) want to get pregnant, and I doubt even more that they want to pick up HIV or syphilis or gonorrhea or something equally nasty. So they would probably use contraceptives.

I doubt that people that young would even thing about that or consider the potential dangers. The youngest people in this country today are the dumbest and most self-absorbed generation ever spawned. I doubt seriously whether they care about anything other then momentary impulse.

I'm sorry, but if you think they're THAT stupid, I don't know what to say. It's common for new generations to be accused of being the dumbest etc... it's gone on since Socrates. Quite simply, you're making a generalisation.

[Countess Anya of the North Parish]

A couple questions/remarks:

1. What is the current age of consent in Atlasia? I would honestly prefer an AoC at 16 years old with a two or three year "window" for people close in age.

2. Would this override regional laws or only apply to areas of direct federal jurisdiction?

1. There isn't a federal age of consent, I don't think.
2. It would only be a federal law. Regions could set their own.

it works that way in MD. the window and all

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

How do you know? I somehow doubt that 14 years old (with some exceptions) want to get pregnant, and I doubt even more that they want to pick up HIV or syphilis or gonorrhea or something equally nasty. So they would probably use contraceptives.

I doubt that people that young would even thing about that or consider the potential dangers. The youngest people in this country today are the dumbest and most self-absorbed generation ever spawned. I doubt seriously whether they care about anything other then momentary impulse.

I'm sorry, but if you think they're THAT stupid, I don't know what to say. It's common for new generations to be accused of being the dumbest etc... it's gone on since Socrates. Quite simply, you're making a generalisation.

I am very very cynical about everything. Its not the dumb part but its the self-absorbed part. They want everything now and if someone tells them now, they will want it more. How do you get these people to think before they act when it comes to sex, when they clearly can't think before they act in numerous other instances.

[k-onmmunist]

How do you know? I somehow doubt that 14 years old (with some exceptions) want to get pregnant, and I doubt even more that they want to pick up HIV or syphilis or gonorrhea or something equally nasty. So they would probably use contraceptives.

I doubt that people that young would even thing about that or consider the potential dangers. The youngest people in this country today are the dumbest and most self-absorbed generation ever spawned. I doubt seriously whether they care about anything other then momentary impulse.

I'm sorry, but if you think they're THAT stupid, I don't know what to say. It's common for new generations to be accused of being the dumbest etc... it's gone on since Socrates. Quite simply, you're making a generalisation.

I am very very cynical about everything. Its not the dumb part but its the self-absorbed part. They want everything now and if someone tells them now, they will want it more. How do you get these people to think before they act when it comes to sex, when they clearly can't think before they act in numerous other instances.

They do that anyway... most people are well aware of the risks. If they choose to do nothing, nothing can be done. Same with people who are over the age of consent.

[k-onmmunist]

A couple questions/remarks:

1. What is the current age of consent in Atlasia? I would honestly prefer an AoC at 16 years old with a two or three year "window" for people close in age.

2. Would this override regional laws or only apply to areas of direct federal jurisdiction?

1. There isn't a federal age of consent, I don't think.
2. It would only be a federal law. Regions could set their own.

As currently written this bill would overide Regional law, so you better add a provision to the bill stating that is the case.

How? Propose an amendment?

[Vepres]

How do you know? I somehow doubt that 14 years old (with some exceptions) want to get pregnant, and I doubt even more that they want to pick up HIV or syphilis or gonorrhea or something equally nasty. So they would probably use contraceptives.

I doubt that people that young would even thing about that or consider the potential dangers. The youngest people in this country today are the dumbest and most self-absorbed generation ever spawned. I doubt seriously whether they care about anything other then momentary impulse.

Eww, you're southerness is showing

I have an idea that I think could be accepted by all sides. Age of consent is 16, but if two people over the age of 14 are within, say, 2 years of each other in age, than the law does not apply.

[k-onmmunist]

How do you know? I somehow doubt that 14 years old (with some exceptions) want to get pregnant, and I doubt even more that they want to pick up HIV or syphilis or gonorrhea or something equally nasty. So they would probably use contraceptives.

I doubt that people that young would even thing about that or consider the potential dangers. The youngest people in this country today are the dumbest and most self-absorbed generation ever spawned. I doubt seriously whether they care about anything other then momentary impulse.

Eww, you're southerness is showing

I have an idea that I think could be accepted by all sides. Age of consent is 16, but if two people over the age of 14 are within, say, 2 years of each other in age, than the law does not apply.

Doesn't sound too bad. I'm gonna wait and see what the rest of the Senate thinks.

[Mint]

I think this bill is a step in the right direction, as I don't think it's right to prosecute teenagers as sex offenders for what is generally regarded as socially acceptable/expected behavior. But I worry that this may open up the door to adult exploitation. I think we should amend this to include age exemptions, something more along the lines of the canadian system might be better.

[k-onmmunist]

I think this bill is a step in the right direction, as I don't think it's right to prosecute teenagers as sex offenders for what is generally regarded as socially acceptable/expected behavior. But I worry that this may open up the door to adult exploitation. I think we should amend this to include age exemptions, something more along the lines of the canadian system might be better.

In that case, I'll put up an amendment.

[k-onmmunist]

I'd like to offer an amendment:

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