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« on: March 04, 2010, 02:55:23 PM »
Nothing is perfect, and I am sure the constitution has some flaws.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 03:14:36 PM »
Well, it condoned slavery
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 03:29:17 PM »
Of course. Was that a serious question?
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 04:31:23 PM »
Duh. It meant women couldn't vote, alcohol was prohibited and slavery was tolerated. Of course it's been morally wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 07:16:14 PM »
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Of course. Was that a serious question?
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 09:36:38 PM »
Yes. It supported slavery.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 10:15:23 PM »
Absolutely, but I can't think of a major sense it has been since the 21st Amendment.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 11:36:42 PM »

That was stupid, but I wouldn't call it morally wrong.

But, of course it's been morally wrong: slavery and women not voting would be the 2 obvious ones.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2010, 11:20:37 AM »
Not only was slavery allowed, the trans-Atlantric slave trade was explicitly permitted for the first twenty years, and those who were able to vote ( only wealthy white men) were granted extra representation by counting slaves as 3/5 of a person. Still, the Constitution was an improvement over earlier governments. This country has come a hell of a long way.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2010, 01:33:29 PM »
The existence of the Senate is a moral wrong. Otherwise, I'm not sure there are any moral wrongs in the Constitution as it is right now (I'd have to consider it), but certainly there have been some really bad ones in the past, as mentioned already.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2010, 03:07:46 PM »
Quote from: Verily on March 06, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
The existence of the Senate is a moral wrong. Otherwise, I'm not sure there are any moral wrongs in the Constitution as it is right now.

The Electoral College system is morally wrong too.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2010, 03:27:33 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on March 06, 2010, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Verily on March 06, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
The existence of the Senate is a moral wrong. Otherwise, I'm not sure there are any moral wrongs in the Constitution as it is right now.

The Electoral College system is morally wrong too.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2010, 04:18:04 PM »
Most of Article I, Section 8
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2010, 11:20:49 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on March 06, 2010, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Verily on March 06, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
The existence of the Senate is a moral wrong. Otherwise, I'm not sure there are any moral wrongs in the Constitution as it is right now.

The Electoral College system is morally wrong too.

How so?
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 01:09:00 AM »
Quote from: memphis on March 05, 2010, 11:20:37 AM
Not only was slavery allowed, the trans-Atlantric slave trade was explicitly permitted for the first twenty years, and those who were able to vote ( only wealthy white men) were granted extra representation by counting slaves as 3/5 of a person. Still, the Constitution was an improvement over earlier governments. This country has come a hell of a long way.

Restrictions on voting were not created by the US Constitution, which originally left voting eligibility up to each state. Restrictions based on property ownership were common but were mostly abandoned in the first few decades without any change of the Constitution. Free blacks were allowed to vote in some states. In NJ propertied women had the vote from 1790-1807.
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 05:05:35 AM »
Quote from: Governor, Fmr. Chairman, Fmr. Judge, & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 06, 2010, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on March 06, 2010, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Verily on March 06, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
The existence of the Senate is a moral wrong. Otherwise, I'm not sure there are any moral wrongs in the Constitution as it is right now.

The Electoral College system is morally wrong too.

How so?

Basically, it's a violation of the "one man, one vote" principle.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 03:19:30 PM »
Yes, that is what the amendment process is for.  The fact that the Constitution may have it's flaws does not mean we should ignore it entirely, in favor of expansive powers under the Commerce Clause and Necessary and Proper Clause.  This thread just reeks of hackery.
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2010, 01:34:36 AM »
Quote from: Antonio V on March 07, 2010, 05:05:35 AM
Quote from: Governor, Fmr. Chairman, Fmr. Judge, & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 06, 2010, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on March 06, 2010, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Verily on March 06, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
The existence of the Senate is a moral wrong. Otherwise, I'm not sure there are any moral wrongs in the Constitution as it is right now.

The Electoral College system is morally wrong too.

How so?

Basically, it's a violation of the "one man, one vote" principle.

How so?
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2010, 06:42:01 AM »
It has never not been.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2010, 12:44:05 PM »
As other have mentioned, the recognition and allowance of slavery was very immoral. I recognize the practical reasons for doing so (the nation could not have been formed at the time without it) but that doesn't make it moral.

Prohibition is also a rather ethically gray area. If not immoral, it was definitely stupid.
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2010, 02:00:27 PM »
Oh yeah, and the Sixteenth, Seventeenth, and Twenty-Second Amendments, among others.
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2010, 02:20:44 AM »
Obviously.
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 12:14:07 PM »
Quote from: Governor Morgan Brykein on March 07, 2010, 03:19:30 PM
Yes, that is what the amendment process is for.  The fact that the Constitution may have it's flaws does not mean we should ignore it entirely, in favor of expansive powers under the Commerce Clause and Necessary and Proper Clause.  This thread just reeks of hackery.


I never argued that it should be ignored, and I am surprised at the amount of feedback i am getting from such a simple question.
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2010, 12:16:01 PM »
Quote from: Governor Morgan Brykein on March 08, 2010, 02:00:27 PM
Oh yeah, and the Sixteenth, Seventeenth, and Twenty-Second Amendments, among others.

The income tax is constitutional because it has been ruled as a "indirect" tax on income.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 10:38:09 AM »
Quote from: Governor, Fmr. Chairman, Fmr. Judge, & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 06, 2010, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Antonio V on March 06, 2010, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Verily on March 06, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
The existence of the Senate is a moral wrong. Otherwise, I'm not sure there are any moral wrongs in the Constitution as it is right now.

The Electoral College system is morally wrong too.

How so?

It gives greater authority to some people over others for reasons unrelated to merit or democratic elections.
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