For fun: 2012...

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

After a landslide victory in 2008 against Clinton/Breaux , President Rudy Giuliani enjoys 70-93% approval ratings for a good solid time.

I don't think Giuliani will even be *alive* in 2012.

Don't worry the whole senario that Reagan fan has sketched out is Republican partisan wish fulfillment...and i've said as much in some very long posts further down the thread...

If Kerry loses in November then It’ll be Rendell/ Ford in 2008 beating something like Frist/ Santorum …. Ahh, four years and an election away and I’m already trying to predict the ticket and the outcome…but look further down the thread and you’ll see my reasoning…  

mheh.  Santorum would doom any ticket.  While we're on the subject of wild predictions, mine for 2008 is Condoleeza Rice/Susan Collins over Hillary Clinton/Nancy Pelosi.

Err…hate to disagree…but I wouldn’t count on either…I for one would not vote for Hillary in a primary sure I might well vote for her in the general but not in the primary and personally I doubt she will run…where Kerry defeated, the Dems would probably retake congress in 06 and I am pretty sure that Ed Rendell would run in 08 and get the nomination with Harold Ford as his VP (Ford by then probably being a Senator)… I doubt that Bill Owens or Santorum (both of whom would do well amongst the GOP grassroots) would run and it would probably be between Bill Frist, George Pataki and some right-winger we’ve never heard of… out of those I’d say Frist wins…and gets a solidly conservative running mate…probably from the Midwest a younger version of Phil Crane perhaps…      

If Kerry loses, Edwards will get the nomination in 2008, no doubt.  Democrats will realize who they should've nominated 4 years ago.  

[Ben.]

After a landslide victory in 2008 against Clinton/Breaux , President Rudy Giuliani enjoys 70-93% approval ratings for a good solid time.

I don't think Giuliani will even be *alive* in 2012.

Don't worry the whole senario that Reagan fan has sketched out is Republican partisan wish fulfillment...and i've said as much in some very long posts further down the thread...

If Kerry loses in November then It’ll be Rendell/ Ford in 2008 beating something like Frist/ Santorum …. Ahh, four years and an election away and I’m already trying to predict the ticket and the outcome…but look further down the thread and you’ll see my reasoning…  

mheh.  Santorum would doom any ticket.  While we're on the subject of wild predictions, mine for 2008 is Condoleeza Rice/Susan Collins over Hillary Clinton/Nancy Pelosi.

Err…hate to disagree…but I wouldn’t count on either…I for one would not vote for Hillary in a primary sure I might well vote for her in the general but not in the primary and personally I doubt she will run…where Kerry defeated, the Dems would probably retake congress in 06 and I am pretty sure that Ed Rendell would run in 08 and get the nomination with Harold Ford as his VP (Ford by then probably being a Senator)… I doubt that Bill Owens or Santorum (both of whom would do well amongst the GOP grassroots) would run and it would probably be between Bill Frist, George Pataki and some right-winger we’ve never heard of… out of those I’d say Frist wins…and gets a solidly conservative running mate…probably from the Midwest a younger version of Phil Crane perhaps…      

If Kerry loses, Edwards will get the nomination in 2008, no doubt.  Democrats will realize who they should've nominated 4 years ago.  

Depends what he's been doing for the past four years if he done "didley squat" then he still a one term senator who lost the Dem nomination last time around...the likes of Ed Rendell, Evan Bayh, Bill Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Harold Ford etc... will proably be much stronger and fresher candidates by 2006/07...so unless he's on the ticket I doubt Edwards will run again for the nomination and it will go to a centrist from a critical state, with gravitas and experiance and that IMHO is Ed Rendell with Ford or Landrieu as his VP...

[classical liberal]

Landrieu and Ford will probably hold vulnerable senate seats by that time.  They would hurt their party more by taking the nomination.  They would probably not accept.

[Reaganfan]

How does this sound:

2008: John McCain pulls out the nomination by a hair against Norm Coleman.

Hillary Clinton loses the nomination by a hair to Ed Rendell.

Rendell chooses Mark Warner to be his VP pick. McCain chooses Bill Owens as his VP pick.

Who wins... You know me....

McCain: 500
Rendell: 38

2012: President McCain declines a re-election bid due to his age, and Vice President Owens runs against Mark Warner. Owens chooses Bill Frist as his running mate while Warner chooses John Edwards as his running mate. Owens/Frist win over Warner/Edwards in a partial landslide victory.

[agcatter]

Republicans won't even be competitive by 2012.  Percentage of white vote is shrinking every year.  The demographics of America in 2012 will be like they are today in California.  If Bush hangs on this time this will be the last Republican administration - ever.

I just want Bush in one more time before the libs get in and completely make the U S judiiary look like the 9th Circuit.

By 2012 we will be well on the way to becoming a second socialist welfare Europe.  No growth.  Just a European like nanny state with no will to defend outselves or anybody else.

Depressing but demographics make it inevitable.  Sit back and enjoy the ride libs.  You're in the driver's seat.  Republicans and those with conservative values, well, you're screwed.  Bend over.

[M]

It will not be the last GOP administration ever. The party will change with changing times. That's the nature of the world.

[zachman]

The Republicans will start inheriting the Union and more of the rural vote if they can use the culture wars.

[agcatter]

Republicans are playing the culture card now and are barely even.  Culture or not the changing demographics make the culture more and more liberal.  Thus the culture issue is less effective each year as the electorate grows more and more liberal.  Look for 2004 to be the last year of Republican control of the White House.  Take a trip to Europe if you get the chance.  It is a window into America's future 20 years from now.

[Reaganfan]

Wait a second.
41. Bush/Quayle
42. Clinton/Gore
43. Bush/Cheney
44. It will not be a socialist, Bush won't be the last GOP Prez. It will be Giuliani, McCain, Edwards, or Bayh.

[classical liberal]

My modified 2012:

[agcatter]

McCain and Giuliani are lib Republicans and in 20 yrs even those two will be gone.  By then the liberal judges appointed by Dem presidents 2008 - 2020 will have already remade American society.  Social issues will by then have been settled by the courts.  Liberals will have their utopian society.  Gay marriage, God out of the pledge, outlawing of the death penalty, stricter gun control, the works.  You won't even recognize this country. Public policy will be much different.  Much higher taxes on business and individuals which will sap incentive to produce.  They will have to raise taxes in order to support all the new and bigger social programs as the mommy state will require more and more to take care of the electorate.  Combine all that with a turn the other cheek foreign policy and you have a mirror image of Europe.

Depressing if you are a conservative.  It will be good to be a liberal.

[classical liberal]

I would point out that rich individuals only pay what they choose to in taxes, and use tax shelters for everything else.  Donald Trump is pro-tax and thus pays tax on all $100000000 some he makes a year.  Bill Gates on the other hand is moderately anti-tax and therefore only pays tax on $500000, .05% of what Trump pays tax on even though Gates makes the same if not more than Trump.  Also, corporations only pay tax on profit so excess funds being directed at investment and R&D is encouraged.  You're right about he social issues though.

[Reaganfan]

Possible candidates for 2008:
John Breaux       Mark Warner
John Edwards    Condoleeza Rice
John McCain       Donald Rumsfeld
Rudy Giuliani      Colin Powell
Bill Frist              Ed Rendell
Bill Owens          Jim Talent
Chuck Hagel      Dirk Kempthorne
Hillary Clinton    Norm Coleman
Dan Quayle       Mike Huckabee
Bill Richardson   Jeb Bush

Anyone I left out?

[12th Doctor]

Possible candidates for 2008:
John Breaux       Mark Warner
John Edwards    Condoleeza Rice
John McCain       Donald Rumsfeld
Rudy Giuliani      Colin Powell
Bill Frist              Ed Rendell
Bill Owens          Jim Talent
Chuck Hagel      Dirk Kempthorne
Hillary Clinton    Norm Coleman
Dan Quayle       Mike Huckabee
Bill Richardson   Jeb Bush

Anyone I left out?

Rick Santourum

[12th Doctor]

Possible candidates for 2008:
John Breaux       Mark Warner
John Edwards    Condoleeza Rice
John McCain       Donald Rumsfeld
Rudy Giuliani      Colin Powell
Bill Frist              Ed Rendell
Bill Owens          Jim Talent
Chuck Hagel      Dirk Kempthorne
Hillary Clinton    Norm Coleman
Dan Quayle       Mike Huckabee
Bill Richardson   Jeb Bush

Anyone I left out?

Rick Santourum

I also think that Tim Pawlenty would have a greater chance in '08 than Coleman.  He will have been elected and re-elected a governor by then.

[12th Doctor]

Possible candidates for 2008:
John Breaux       Mark Warner
John Edwards    Condoleeza Rice
John McCain       Donald Rumsfeld
Rudy Giuliani      Colin Powell
Bill Frist              Ed Rendell
Bill Owens          Jim Talent
Chuck Hagel      Dirk Kempthorne
Hillary Clinton    Norm Coleman
Dan Quayle       Mike Huckabee
Bill Richardson   Jeb Bush

Anyone I left out?

Rick Santourum

I also think that Tim Pawlenty would have a greater chance in '08 than Coleman.  He will have been elected and re-elected a governor by then.

Another one I would add to the list is Mitt Romney.

[Ben.]

McCain and Giuliani are lib Republicans and in 20 yrs even those two will be gone.  By then the liberal judges appointed by Dem presidents 2008 - 2020 will have already remade American society.  Social issues will by then have been settled by the courts.  Liberals will have their utopian society.  Gay marriage, God out of the pledge, outlawing of the death penalty, stricter gun control, the works.  You won't even recognize this country. Public policy will be much different.  Much higher taxes on business and individuals which will sap incentive to produce.  They will have to raise taxes in order to support all the new and bigger social programs as the mommy state will require more and more to take care of the electorate.  Combine all that with a turn the other cheek foreign policy and you have a mirror image of Europe.

Depressing if you are a conservative.  It will be good to be a liberal.

By that time you would probably see the GOP moving to a McCain/Pataki/Giuliani sort of position on many issues, very possibly lead by someone like Bill Owens…Bill Frist will probably be as rightwing as the mainstream will get by then…the likes of Santorum and other more hard-line conservatives won’t even be considered in the mainstream anymore…however many moderate dems such as Bayh, Landrieu, even Ford, Lieberman and Rendell ,might end up leaving the increasingly liberal Dem party and perhaps uniting with the GOP to found some DLC like centrist political party…and I for one would defiantly vote for a party like that at least at the presidential and federal level…


Having said all of this I don’t see America becoming more socially liberal but instead more economically interventionist, I think a basic system of free health care for all will be introduced and a number of other welfare initiatives however by and large the social issues will be left up to the states and while I doubt the out come will please the conservatives it wont please the Liberals either…

[dunn]

Republicans won't even be competitive by 2012.  Percentage of white vote is shrinking every year.  The demographics of America in 2012 will be like they are today in California.  If Bush hangs on this time this will be the last Republican administration - ever.

I just want Bush in one more time before the libs get in and completely make the U S judiiary look like the 9th Circuit.

By 2012 we will be well on the way to becoming a second socialist welfare Europe.  No growth.  Just a European like nanny state with no will to defend outselves or anybody else.

Depressing but demographics make it inevitable.  Sit back and enjoy the ride libs.  You're in the driver's seat.  Republicans and those with conservative values, well, you're screwed.  Bend over.

you have a point

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/17/usa.population.reut/index.html

[Reaganfan]

Okay:
Possible candidates for 2008:
John Breaux       Mark Warner
John Edwards    Condoleeza Rice
John McCain       Donald Rumsfeld
Rudy Giuliani      Colin Powell
Bill Frist              Ed Rendell
Bill Owens          Jim Talent
Chuck Hagel      Dirk Kempthorne        
Hillary Clinton    Norm Coleman
Dan Quayle       Mike Huckabee
Bill Richardson   Jeb Bush
 ADDED IN:
Rick Santourum   Mitt Romney
Tim Pawlenty      Tom Vilsack
Tom Daschle       Bob Kerrey
Dick Durbin         Bill Bradley  
Evan Bayh          Alan Keyes

AND INDEPENDENT:
Jesse Ventura

I like the guy, even though I vote republican, I might have to support a "President Ventura" ticket. Although he is not in talks, he said a few weeks ago, "WE NEED A WRESTLER IN THE WHIT EHOUSE IN 2008!"

[True Democrat]

Bump for vigour and decisiveness.

[tarheel-leftist85]

Mark Warner with his moderate (w/ populist leanings) record will be easily re-elected against Gov. Sanford.

[George W. Hobbes]

It's interesting to see just how terribly off we all were about the 2008 field.  Bill Owens and Bill Frist, both commonly mentioned as contenders here, both imploded.  Ed Rendell is sitting the race out (for some reason, probably fear of going against Hillary) and Barack Obama (who, as we can see, wasn't even really on the radar as a possible 2008 candidate) has a legitimate chance of winning the Democratic nomination.  Rick Santorum is making documentaries, not running for President.

This goes back to why Five Year Plans are just not sustainable, nobody knows how events will shape the future.

I think that this should be a good lesson for those who are confident of a Democratic victory in 2008 based on the current climate.  In politics, a lot can change based on the actions of a few.

[Хahar 🤔]

Okay:
Possible candidates for 2008:
John Breaux ()      Mark Warner (No)
John Edwards (Yes)   Condoleeza Rice (HELL NO)
John McCain (DING DING DING)      Donald Rumsfeld ()
Rudy Giuliani (Yes)     Colin Powell (Nope)
Bill Frist (No)             Ed Rendell (No)
Bill Owens (No)         Jim Talent ()
Chuck Hagel ()     Dirk Kempthorne ()       
Hillary Clinton (Duh)   Norm Coleman ()
Dan Quayle ()      Mike Huckabee (Yes)
Bill Richardson (Yes)  Jeb Bush ()
 ADDED IN:
Rick Santourum ()   Mitt Romney (Yes)
Tim Pawlenty (No)     Tom Vilsack (Yes)
Tom Daschle ()      Bob Kerrey ()
Dick Durbin (No)        Bill Bradley (No) 
Evan Bayh (No)         Alan Keyes (Meh)

AND INDEPENDENT:
Jesse Ventura ()