Romney and Massachusetts in 2012

[redcommander]

Let's say that after Brown's win, Republicans continue to pick up ground in Massachusetts. They take back the Governorship, Lt. Governorship, pick up seats in the State legislature, win possibly one or two Statewide positions like Treasurer and Auditor, and win back at least one House seat. If Obama's approval is lukewarm or negative, and Romney is nominated and chooses a nonthreatening VP, could he win the state?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I think MA will be competitive for any Republican who's not a Palin-style loon in 2012. Obama will be finished by then. It will be a landslide defeat for the incumbent.

[ConservativeIllini]

No.  Obama is at a low point now in my opinion, and should rebound.  He would win it if an election were today as well.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It's just like expecting Obama to carry Idaho.

Massachusetts won';t go Republican in presidential election.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

It's just like expecting Obama to carry Idaho.

Massachusetts won';t go Republican in presidential election.

Not really. A Republican carried MA 25 years ago. A Democrat hasn't carried Idaho in 45 years.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It's just like expecting Obama to carry Idaho.

Massachusetts won';t go Republican in presidential election.

Not really. A Republican carried MA 25 years ago. A Democrat hasn't carried Idaho in 45 years.

You realize times of Landslides like Reagan enjoyed had passed?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

It's just like expecting Obama to carry Idaho.

Massachusetts won';t go Republican in presidential election.

Not really. A Republican carried MA 25 years ago. A Democrat hasn't carried Idaho in 45 years.

You realize times of Landslides like Reagan enjoyed had passed?

Not if Obama continues on his current spiraling decline. Either a Republican or a third-party/independent will win big in 2012. Obama is going down in flames.

[© tweed]

Let's say that after Brown's win, Republicans continue to pick up ground in Massachusetts. They take back the Governorship, Lt. Governorship, pick up seats in the State legislature, win possibly one or two Statewide positions like Treasurer and Auditor, and win back at least one House seat. If Obama's approval is lukewarm or negative, and Romney is nominated and chooses a nonthreatening VP, could he win the state?

isn't it pretty to think so?

[Bo]

Theoretically yes, but only if a second Great Depression occurs.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Hahaha. I've talked about this before.

No matter how well the Republicans do in the near future in Massachusetts, Romney will never win the state again. Remember, it was because of Romney that the Republicans were kicked out of the governorship in 2006 to begin with. Romney is, if anything, the last Republican I could see winning the state. When he left office in 2007, 65% of Bay Staters disapproved of him, and only 30% approved.

For what it's worth, Romney was absent from the campaign trail. If Romney were present, I think Brown would have had a far harder race.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

He would max out at 45%.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It's just like expecting Obama to carry Idaho.

Massachusetts won';t go Republican in presidential election.

Not really. A Republican carried MA 25 years ago. A Democrat hasn't carried Idaho in 45 years.

You realize times of Landslides like Reagan enjoyed had passed?

Not if Obama continues on his current spiraling decline. Either a Republican or a third-party/independent will win big in 2012. Obama is going down in flames.

1. Third party? Very funny.
2. Oh yes, Obama is just finished as Clinton was in 1996, after 1994

[live free or die]

Romney wouldn't win MA even in a landslide. Probably the state least likely to vote for him, actually.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

It's just like expecting Obama to carry Idaho.

Massachusetts won';t go Republican in presidential election.

Not really. A Republican carried MA 25 years ago. A Democrat hasn't carried Idaho in 45 years.

You realize times of Landslides like Reagan enjoyed had passed?

Not if Obama continues on his current spiraling decline. Either a Republican or a third-party/independent will win big in 2012. Obama is going down in flames.

1. Third party? Very funny.
2. Oh yes, Obama is just finished as Clinton was in 1996, after 1994

Would people stop comparing this to the past? It's not the same. The U.S. just can't keep taking on more and more debt without serious repercussions to follow.

Red China can crash the U.S. at will thanks to the Keynesian morons who have been running this country. Either way the economy will be in such shape in 2012 that of course a third-party would have a shot, or if not, a Republican landslide.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hahaha. I've talked about this before.

No matter how well the Republicans do in the near future in Massachusetts, Romney will never win the state again. Remember, it was because of Romney that the Republicans were kicked out of the governorship in 2006 to begin with. Romney is, if anything, the last Republican I could see winning the state. When he left office in 2007, 65% of Bay Staters disapproved of him, and only 30% approved.

For what it's worth, Romney was absent from the campaign trail. If Romney were present, I think Brown would have had a far harder race.

You seem to forget that were it not for Romney, the GOP would have lost the Governorship in 2002.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Hahaha. I've talked about this before.

No matter how well the Republicans do in the near future in Massachusetts, Romney will never win the state again. Remember, it was because of Romney that the Republicans were kicked out of the governorship in 2006 to begin with. Romney is, if anything, the last Republican I could see winning the state. When he left office in 2007, 65% of Bay Staters disapproved of him, and only 30% approved.

For what it's worth, Romney was absent from the campaign trail. If Romney were present, I think Brown would have had a far harder race.

You seem to forget that were it not for Romney, the GOP would have lost the Governorship in 2002.

But four years after that, he ended up destroying the state Republican party and now no one likes him. Romney may have delayed the Democrats winning the governorship by four years, but after those four years the Republicans ended up with nothing.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

And yes I know you will say that now the Republicans won something so things can't be that bad, but that isn't saying much about Romney. If anything it's disapproval of Patrick, but Bay Staters still won't vote for Romney.

[All Along The Watchtower]

I think Romney's Governorship and Presidential campaign left a sour taste in the mouths of many MA voters.

[fezzyfestoon]

No.

And yes I know you will say that now the Republicans won something so things can't be that bad, but that isn't saying much about Romney. If anything it's disapproval of Patrick, but Bay Staters still won't vote for Romney.

Scott Brown's campaign had Romney all over it.  But why bother with reason, you're the board's premier anti-Romney hack.

[pbrower2a]

It's just like expecting Obama to carry Idaho.

Massachusetts won';t go Republican in presidential election.

Not really. A Republican carried MA 25 years ago. A Democrat hasn't carried Idaho in 45 years.

You realize times of Landslides like Reagan enjoyed had passed?

Not if Obama continues on his current spiraling decline. Either a Republican or a third-party/independent will win big in 2012. Obama is going down in flames.

What says that he is on a spiraling decline? He has done little to indicate such a path.  Sure, you can always extrapolate a trend, but whether the result has any relevance to reality is a very different matter.

It would take another nasty economic downturn for which he is perceived culpable (the economic recovery seems more solid than the speculative boom of the middle of the Double-Zero decade), a catastrophic situation of war or diplomacy, or a  personal scandal (sex or corruption, and we aren't likely to see that hit until it turns into a disaster).

Note well that the decline is just as precipitous for the House and Senate -- both Parties, and for many Governorships.

Economic meltdown? It's easy to predict some of them -- when P/E ratios are inordinately high, when objects of speculation are priced out of range of those who ordinarily buy them, or when speculation gets stupid -- as in the middle of the Double-Zero decade. I could have told anyone in 2005 that the real-estate boom was going to go bust, and that anyone who could sell high-priced real estate would be advised to do so, take the tax bite on appreciation of property, and go to high-grade securities; I just couldn't say when.

Major wars that go badly? Dubya started two that remain troublesome. Obama gets huge credit if one, let alone both, allow him to extract American troops. Just think of what getting out of the Korean War did for Dwight Eisenhower.

Personal scandal? Obama doesn't seem the type. (Actually, nobody does, but one would need to know someone intimately to know whether a politician is collecting bribes or is sleeping with everything that moves).  President Obama is more vulnerable to any scandal if he should be connected to one for obvious reasons.

Barring that, he seems likely to do well against just about any Republican nominee  who has any connection to the Religious Right (unpopular in the Blue Firewall) or to the House or Senate between 2001 and 2007 and especially to the 43rd Administration. The GOP will need fresh talent to make its next challenge for the Presidency.    
 

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

You seem to forget that were it not for Romney Shannon O'Brien, the GOP would have lost the Governorship in 2002.

[JSojourner]

I think MA will be competitive for any Republican who's not a Palin-style loon in 2012.

Oh, I agree. 

[Psychic Octopus]

Hell-to-the-no, barring total military defeat abroad and the second great depression.

[live free or die]

Not a chance in hell.

[milhouse24]

Scott Brown won because of Obama's health care, it really had nothing to do with Romney at all. 

If Romney wins in 2012, then any top-tier GOP can win, except for maybe Palin.  It will be because of anti-Obama voters.