Nader

[© tweed]

Dave edited this thread...

Did he also send you a quarter telling you to go buy a clue?

Huh?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Dave edited this thread...

Did he also send you a quarter telling you to go buy a clue?

Huh?

I guess not.

[© tweed]

Dave edited this thread...

Did he also send you a quarter telling you to go buy a clue?

Huh?

I guess not.

You just took a shot at me, I think I deserve to know what it means.

[ElectionAtlas]

I just removed the expletive... please refrain from using them.
Thx.
Dave

[© tweed]

I just removed the expletive... please refrain from using them.
Thx.
Dave

I know, sorry, it was a ***'d expletive, I thought they might be allowed.

[Gustaf]

Doesnt he have the right to run? Where in the Constitution does it say only two parties have the right to exist? If Nader wants to run, LET HIM. This is just another example of democrats wanting to suppress a free election system.

I don't think anyone is wanting a legal restriction on him. I mean, please, let's keep this on a serious level.

And this means more good news for Kerry, though it's still way too much time left to make accurate predictions of the out-come, of course.  

[Gustaf]

I just removed the expletive... please refrain from using them.
Thx.
Dave

I know, sorry, it was a ***'d expletive, I thought they might be allowed.

What was the expletive? I missed all the fun...

[dunn]

I just removed the expletive... please refrain from using them.
Thx.
Dave

I know, sorry, it was a ***'d expletive, I thought they might be allowed.

What was the expletive? I missed all the fun...

The F  word

[??????????]

The Fun word lol.

[angus]

The Fun word lol.

The petitions are so easy to get man.  I have almost 60 signatures now doing nothing.   And in Florida I bet they don't even try to see if they're registered.  or alive.  

[??????????]

Refer that to a democrat. They are the ones that pay bums to vote, have illegals vote, let the dead vote. lol

[angus]

Pay them cigarettes mostly, I think.

[Gustaf]

I just removed the expletive... please refrain from using them.
Thx.
Dave

I know, sorry, it was a ***'d expletive, I thought they might be allowed.

What was the expletive? I missed all the fun...

The F  word

Ah, OK.

[angus]

You boys should try to get Roy Moore on the ballot in Alabama.  Turnabout is fair play.  Ever since moving to california I have become a big fan of having as many choices as possible.

[Gustaf]

You boys should try to get Roy Moore on the ballot in Alabama.  Turnabout is fair play.  Ever since moving to california I have become a big fan of having as many choices as possible.

That an excellent idea.

[Nation]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing ol' Roy on the ballot.

[??????????]

Roy Moore was a good man. Standing up to the Federal Govt is the proper thing to do. They had no right to remove the Ten Commandments. Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."

[angus]

Roy Moore was a good man. Standing up to the Federal Govt is the proper thing to do. They had no right to remove the Ten Commandments. Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."

Roy had courage and conviction, no doubt.  But there is the little problem of the first amendment.  Here's a story about the liberal media you just might agree with, statesrights:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18129-2004Feb29.html

[elcorazon]

Roy Moore was a good man. Standing up to the Federal Govt is the proper thing to do. They had no right to remove the Ten Commandments. Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."

Yeah, we should have a theocracy like Iran.  That'd be better.  
Read your first amendment "establishment of religion" would be akin to church & state being identified as one, I would think.  Semantics, statesrights, semantics.  

On a side note, the framers didn't get EVERYTHING right.  They had political issues to deal with as well.  Don't forget, Slavery was legal then.  Just because the framers wouldn't agree with current interpretations of the constitution doesn't make those interpretations wrong.

Moore's actions were in direct violation of the law, no matter how heartfelt.  While I disagree with the actions of SF's mayor on similar grounds, he had not been previously told by a court not to perform the ceremonies he endorsed, so his actions are more defensible than Moore's in my opinion.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

On a side note, the framers didn't get EVERYTHING right.  They had political issues to deal with as well.  Don't forget, Slavery was legal then.  Just because the framers wouldn't agree with current interpretations of the constitution doesn't make those interpretations wrong.

Slavery being legal had NOTHING - ZERO to do with "interpretation"; hence, the need for the 13th amendment.  

Amending the Constitution is the proper thing to do, rather than twist the meaning and context of words to make them mean anything you want.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Dave edited this thread...

Did he also send you a quarter telling you to go buy a clue?

Huh?

I guess not.

You just took a shot at me, I think I deserve to know what it means.

MU: "Dave edited this thread" [because the author lacked common sense].

JMF: "Did he also send you a quarter telling you to go buy a clue [regarding common sense]?"

MU: "Huh?" [I don't have enough sense to take a hint].

JMF: "I guess not."

MU: "You just took a shot at me, I think I deserve to know what it means."

JMF: It's obviously over your head.

[California Dreamer]

Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.."
-USC, Ammendment I

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"
- USC, Article IV, Clause 3

[angus]

Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.."
-USC, Ammendment I

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"
- USC, Article IV, Clause 3

Oh no you didn't!  Let's see, Pickering is too religious, so of course he can't be an appeals court judge.  And Miguel Estrada, well, he's catholic.  You know what that means.  This level of hypocrisy exceeds even my own.

[??????????]

Roy Moore was a good man. Standing up to the Federal Govt is the proper thing to do. They had no right to remove the Ten Commandments. Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."

Yeah, we should have a theocracy like Iran.  That'd be better.  
Read your first amendment "establishment of religion" would be akin to church & state being identified as one, I would think.  Semantics, statesrights, semantics.  

On a side note, the framers didn't get EVERYTHING right.  They had political issues to deal with as well.  Don't forget, Slavery was legal then.  Just because the framers wouldn't agree with current interpretations of the constitution doesn't make those interpretations wrong.

Moore's actions were in direct violation of the law, no matter how heartfelt.  While I disagree with the actions of SF's mayor on similar grounds, he had not been previously told by a court not to perform the ceremonies he endorsed, so his actions are more defensible than Moore's in my opinion.

Putting up a monument to the Ten Commandments, which is one of the modern foundations of law is hardly "Establishment" of any religion. Establishment would be Alabama saying "All citizens of the state of Alabama are here by required to worship in a baptist church and MUST show up every Sunday." Our laws are established on religious beliefs, get over it.

Interpretation? Follow it just as it says. Saying, well they meant this when they wrote this is a dangerous road to go down. Moore violated no law. The mayor of San Fran. knowingly violated the law and is continuing to taunt to state and federal government.

[??????????]

Show me in the constitution where it says, "Seperation of Church and State."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.."
-USC, Ammendment I

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"
- USC, Article IV, Clause 3

Establishment means that the government won't found a state religion. Seperation means the govt will have nothing at all to do with any religion. The constitution never says that.

I dont think the Ten Commandments Monument is a religious test. Saying prayer in Congress isn't either.