Vive Le Hughes

[Psychic Octopus]

Before I update, I want to make sure that everyone is following the butterflies that have occurred so far, as the next few updates will radically diverge from OTL in a sharp and swift manner.

If someone isn't following, would you like me to recap?

[Psychic Octopus]

No one? Are you sure you don't want me to mention any of the relatively underlying butterflies?

[HappyWarrior]

No one? Are you sure you don't want me to mention any of the relatively underlying butterflies?

Go for it.

[Psychic Octopus]

No one? Are you sure you don't want me to mention any of the relatively underlying butterflies?

Go for it.

1. The is a relatively different British list of Prime Ministers; while Lloyd George still fell in this TL, Bonar Law was replaced by Lord Curzon, and Stanley Baldwin never rose to the premiership.

2. Germany and Italy are fairly antagonistic to one another. Italy, which was collaborating for a defensive pact with Austria, felt slighted at Germany's 'conquest' of the country.

3. Japan and Britain are still allied. The Anglo-Japanese Alliance never faltered, as the British were encouraged by their decent relations with America, and its joining of the League. The Emperor of Japan is Yasuhito, as Hirohito's assassination attempt in OTL succeeded. He is an English speaker, and a pro-westerner. America built heavy amounts of capital ships in the 1920s (Credited to their far away Middle Eastern mandates), forcing the other two to do the same, although the three countries are  on good terms.

4. Prohibition never ended. Hoover's strong opposition to the 'wets' was enough to overcome ratification of an amendment in 1933; however, there is a growing 'repeal prohibition' movement.

5. The Spanish Civil War was butterflied out, and the country has a moderate christian-right leaning government.

The rest I will save for later; Needless to say, there are a great deal of surprises coming up.

[Psychic Octopus]

BUMP

Update this weekend. Anyone have any questions?

[Robespierre's Jaw]

So long you don't steal any of my ideals, this shall remain to be a decent timeline.

Anyway cultural changes at this stage?  How's Australia going? Please say something has changed.

[Psychic Octopus]

So long you don't steal any of my ideals, this shall remain to be a decent timeline.

Don't worry, I shall not steal any of your ideas. I am still looking forward to the launch of Hoover III, and I had a few ideas myself about it if you would want to hear them sometime, however you are rarely on AIM.

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1930s America is crime-ridden (due to the continuing of prohibition), and politically unstable. Huey Long's (And Father Coughlin's) movement is sweeping the nation, capitalizing on widespread despair. Culturally, America is far more interconnected with the outside world then it was in OTL, and Weimar culture was fairly popular in 1920s America. Overall, the nation has not changed much from OTL in the '20s, as the prosperous nation was bound to have some similarities. Babe Ruth is the pride of the Boston Red Soxs, and Charles Lindbergh Jr. is a happy child who dreams of flying through space.

Australia is slightly different, and the growing respect and friendship between the Japanese and British has reflected kindly upon the nation. Entertainment culture, new technology and consumerism that characterized the 1920s in the USA was also found in Australia, as in real life. Australia's Hughes held office longer, as the Country Party swallowed its hatred in a compromise, as Hughes slightly lowered tariffs and price controls to please them. He retired after the 1925 elections, as his coalition fell apart, leaving Matthew Charlton prime minister. The maritime industries crisis was butterflied out. In the 1931 election, Stanley Bruce easily defeated the Labor Party, leaving him with a large mandate.

I sincerely hope I didn't embarrass myself with the alternate Australia in this timeline, as you know, I am not an expert on that country's history.

[Bo]

I'm just curious, but what is the U.S. population in 1936 in this TL? Since Wilson did not implement immigration quotes in the 1920s, it should be somewhat higher than in RL. BTW, were there any immigration quotes implemented after Wilson?

[Psychic Octopus]

I'm just curious, but what is the U.S. population in 1936 in this TL? Since Wilson did not implement immigration quotes in the 1920s, it should be somewhat higher than in RL. BTW, were there any immigration quotes implemented after Wilson?

Good question. I believe I mentioned that Robinson implemented quotas in 1929 (If I did not, I shall go revise it), anyways, it is quite larger, as the post-war economic boom led to an influx of European immigrants, especially from Southern and Eastern Europe. These immigrants are more responsive to radical ideologies then other Americans, leading the nativist movement to brand them as subversives. They overwhelming supported Hoover in 1932, but split in 1936, narrowly supporting him but quite receptive to Long's policies.

Nevertheless, the US Population in the 1930 Census was about 130,112,000, eight million people more then in OTL.

EDIT: I did in fact mention it. From 1930 onward, immigration was capped at 150,000.

[Bo]

I'm just curious, but what is the U.S. population in 1936 in this TL? Since Wilson did not implement immigration quotes in the 1920s, it should be somewhat higher than in RL. BTW, were there any immigration quotes implemented after Wilson?

Good question. I believe I mentioned that Robinson implemented quotas in 1929 (If I did not, I shall go revise it), anyways, it is quite larger, as the post-war economic boom led to an influx of European immigrants, especially from Southern and Eastern Europe. These immigrants are more responsive to radical ideologies then other Americans, leading the nativist movement to brand them as subversives. They overwhelming supported Hoover in 1932, but split in 1936, narrowly supporting him but quite receptive to Long's policies.

Nevertheless, the US Population in the 1930 Census was about 130,112,000, eight million people more then in OTL.

EDIT: I did in fact mention it. From 1930 onward, annual immigration was capped at 150,000.

Thank you. Good job so far on your TL. I really like it. I hope that the U.S. will continue having a two-party system in this TL. Multi-party would just be too messy and un-traditional.

[Historico]

I'm just curious, but what is the U.S. population in 1936 in this TL? Since Wilson did not implement immigration quotes in the 1920s, it should be somewhat higher than in RL. BTW, were there any immigration quotes implemented after Wilson?

Good question. I believe I mentioned that Robinson implemented quotas in 1929 (If I did not, I shall go revise it), anyways, it is quite larger, as the post-war economic boom led to an influx of European immigrants, especially from Southern and Eastern Europe. These immigrants are more responsive to radical ideologies then other Americans, leading the nativist movement to brand them as subversives. They overwhelming supported Hoover in 1932, but split in 1936, narrowly supporting him but quite receptive to Long's policies.

Nevertheless, the US Population in the 1930 Census was about 130,112,000, eight million people more then in OTL.

EDIT: I did in fact mention it. From 1930 onward, annual immigration was capped at 150,000.

Thank you. Good job so far on your TL. I really like it. I hope that the U.S. will continue having a two-party system in this TL. Multi-party would just be too messy and un-traditional.

But that's the fun part Roch, taking the old notion of America as a two-party system and throwing it out the window. I really just want to see a legitmate Facsit party rise up in the even more depressed thirties. Can't wait for the next installment Nik!!!

[Bo]

I'm just curious, but what is the U.S. population in 1936 in this TL? Since Wilson did not implement immigration quotes in the 1920s, it should be somewhat higher than in RL. BTW, were there any immigration quotes implemented after Wilson?

Good question. I believe I mentioned that Robinson implemented quotas in 1929 (If I did not, I shall go revise it), anyways, it is quite larger, as the post-war economic boom led to an influx of European immigrants, especially from Southern and Eastern Europe. These immigrants are more responsive to radical ideologies then other Americans, leading the nativist movement to brand them as subversives. They overwhelming supported Hoover in 1932, but split in 1936, narrowly supporting him but quite receptive to Long's policies.

Nevertheless, the US Population in the 1930 Census was about 130,112,000, eight million people more then in OTL.

EDIT: I did in fact mention it. From 1930 onward, annual immigration was capped at 150,000.

Thank you. Good job so far on your TL. I really like it. I hope that the U.S. will continue having a two-party system in this TL. Multi-party would just be too messy and un-traditional.

But that's the fun part Roch, taking the old notion of America as a two-party system and throwing it out the window. I really just want to see a legitmate Facsit party rise up in the even more depressed thirties. Can't wait for the next installment Nik!!!

I agree that having a strong lasting third party would be very fun. However, I enjoy TL's more when they are realistic.

[Psychic Octopus]

Hey guys, I caught a minor mistake in Senate Results and corrected it, I hope most of you didn't notice. An update is in the works.

[GLPman]

Cant wait for the update.

[Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey]

Cant wait for the update.

[Bo]

Cant wait for the update.

[Tuck!]

What is going with Harry S Truman ITTL?

[Psychic Octopus]

What is going with Harry S Truman ITTL?

Harry Truman is a Republican in this TL, and was a candidate for Governor of Missouri in 1936, but he lost to his arch-rival, Lloyd C. Stark, in the general election.  Truman ran on an anti-Pendergast line, as did Stark, however Stark was able to win the election narrowly due to the Republican weakness in the state.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Cant wait for the update.

[Bo]

BUMP. So good.

[Psychic Octopus]

Whoops, posted early. NVM

[Psychic Octopus]

The Second Term of Herbert Hoover

On a chilly March 4th, 1937, President Herbert Hoover is sworn in by Chief Justice Benjamin Cardozo for a second term as President of the United States. Elected by a much reduced margin, the president did not have his work cut out for him. Congress, while maintaining hefty Republican majorities in both chambers, was littered with men fascinated by different ideologies and different ways of thinking. The rise of Huey Long's "Share Our Wealth" organization had further complicated the matter.

The new session was marked with a referendum on the future of Hoover's spending policies. The thirteen congressional members from the Share Our Wealth Party greatly wish to implement a series of new reforms, the prime purpose of which to be redistributing wealth from the upper to lower classes. The Democrats and Republicans, they claimed, stood for the old order of corruption and excessive greed. Huey Long, as the symbol of the party, launched the new language of his party on the Senate floor: "Friends, enemies, colleagues... the system of evil is collapsing, and a new America will take its place... one filled with tolerance, equality, and peace. If the reforms of the Share Our Wealth Party become law, I promise each and every one of you... that every man will be a king!"

The party was unlucky. Very few of its proposals in the 75th Congress became law, but it did have some influence on the spending policies of President Hoover, leading to his decision to keep pumping money into the American economy. However, little legislation was crafted in each session, owing partly to the bitter divisions not only in the parties, but in the philosophy of the people.

On July 14th, former President Joseph T. Robinson unexpectedly died. The nation does not care greatly; many Americans hate the man they believe responsible for their woes. However, the President declares a day of mourning, and treats him to a state funeral.

Herbert Hoover, however, took increasing notice to international affairs. Hosting King Edward VIII of the United Kingdom in July, the President inflicted an infatuation upon the King; that of humanitarianism. Discussing ways that both nations could improve the lives of its people, the two men instantly became friends. King Edward returned to Britain a changed man; he would dedicate the rest of his long life to the betterment of his countrymen, taking up an unprecedented role of "Activist Monarch."

Not all, however, was cheerful in transatlantic relations; The League of Nations appeared to be weakening in strength. Germany and the Soviet Union had agreed to an assistance pact, as the two outcast nations of Europe shared a common goal of territorial and economic gain. The Third Reich, consolidating its power, had withdraws from the League, provoking hostility from a former president. Charles Evans Hughes, the leading member of the League's Assembly, proclaims "The actions of Führer Hitler is an abomination to every thinking man in the United States, League of Nations, and indeed, the World." Rearming on its eastern and western borders, the nation took a leap of faith into the unknown.



President Herbert Hoover returns from Europe, proclaiming that peace was the policy of this administration, and that it will be lasting. For this address, he is greatly admired.

Appearing before his people at a "Rally for the Reich", the leader demanded that the nation of Czechoslovakia hand over the Sudetenland. The nations of America and Britain had no agreements of assistance with the country, but France had "guaranteed" the Czech people, meaning that in the event of an invasion, France would engage with war with Germany. It appears war is imminent. Fearing conflict, President Hoover travels to Munich, meeting with the most prominent European leaders. Significantly, the nation in question, Czechoslovakia, is excluded from the conference. The six "wise men", Hoover, Chamberlain, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and Prime Minister Abel Gardey of France, quarreled over the end result. Finally, the governments backed down from war, agreeing to a policy set forth by President Hoover, allowing accommodation for Hitler's policy of Lebensraum by granting Hitler the right to the territories, but allowing for the rest of Czechoslovakia to continue undisturbed. Trying to the make it a lasting peace, the United States secretly guarantees the rest of independent Czechoslovakia, and speeds up dialogue with Poland, a likely target of Hitler's next great wave of expansion. Proclaiming "peace is the policy of our time", Hoover returns to the United States an international hero. He is celebrated splendidly, being featured as Time Magazine's "Man of the Year", and is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. To the people, in a time of tyrants, he was a legitimate hero. But, as the president would soon discover, time waits for no man...

Coming Up: "Which Way to Lebensraum?"

[Bo]

Great update. Hopefully Hoover will be much more aggressive than FDR in containing Germany. Also, I hope the state of Israel is created soon.

[Psychic Octopus]

Great update. Hopefully Hoover will be much more aggressive than FDR in containing Germany. Also, I hope the state of Israel is created soon.

It actually was already; I mentioned in a prior update that Israel, which was under joint American-British occupation following the Great War, was set up under a system of government similar to the US.

Most of my updates on that centered on American-occupied Iraq, so it was easy to miss.

[Bo]

Great update. Hopefully Hoover will be much more aggressive than FDR in containing Germany. Also, I hope the state of Israel is created soon.

It actually was already; I mentioned in a prior update that Israel, which was under joint American-British occupation following the Great War, was set up under a system of government similar to the US.

Most of my updates on that centered on American-occupied Iraq, so it was easy to miss.

Thanks. I'll make sure to reread the last several posts. Just out of curiousity, how come you failed to post the first time (at 10 p.m.)?