When was the Roman Senate abolished?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 30, 2024, 09:17:28 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Discussion
  History (Moderator: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee)
  When was the Roman Senate abolished?
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: When was the Roman Senate abolished?  (Read 3672 times)
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,708
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: January 02, 2010, 08:27:23 PM »

I've seen passing references to it well into the second millenium, but actual information on the later Senate is entirely nonexistent.
Logged
minionofmidas
Lewis Trondheim
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,206
India


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 04:58:25 PM »

Second millennium? After the creation of the city, or after Jesus?

I would guess the Senate probably never was formally abolished.
Logged
12th Doctor
supersoulty
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,584
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 05:11:11 PM »

Never.  It actually reconvened at some points during the Middle Ages.  The presence of the Roman Senate was instrumental in stirring up the conflicts in the Papal States that led to the Popes fleeing to Avignon.
Logged
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,708
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 11:27:30 PM »

When did it last meet, then?


Second millennium? After the creation of the city, or after Jesus?

AD.
Logged
Hans-im-Glück
Franken
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,970
Germany


Political Matrix
E: -5.94, S: -3.30

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 02:57:25 AM »

592 said Pope Gregory I that it gives no Roman Senate anymore. Maybe after this date gives something called Senate, but this was not more than the city council of Rome.
Logged
minionofmidas
Lewis Trondheim
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,206
India


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2010, 06:29:01 AM »

I can't use this avatar. I mistake myself for Afleitch.
Logged
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,708
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2010, 06:59:09 PM »

592 said Pope Gregory I that it gives no Roman Senate anymore. Maybe after this date gives something called Senate, but this was not more than the city council of Rome.

The Popes used it occasionally after that.
Logged
J. J.
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,892
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2010, 12:36:08 AM »

Wiki has a reference in 607.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_the_Roman_Empire

Logged
dead0man
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 46,344
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 12:45:31 AM »

From J.J.'s link...
Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
So if we're including the "Roman Senate" in Constantinople then some time in the mid 14 century.  If we're talking just the "Roman Senate" in Rome, then the early 600s probably.  If we're talking when the Roman Senate actually lost most of it's importance..
Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
..then it looks to be the early 300s.
Logged
jokerman
Cosmo Kramer
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,808
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 01:58:54 AM »

At some point Rome devolved to a barbarian fort of a few thousand people during the dark ages, but I think even then there was a "Senate," a de facto city council.
Logged
minionofmidas
Lewis Trondheim
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,206
India


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 07:05:16 AM »

City councils in the romance towns of the Frankish Empire were usually called Senate as well, and I think Senators considered themselves Roman Empire Senators. Though I may be wrong. -_-
Logged
12th Doctor
supersoulty
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,584
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 03:10:29 PM »

592 said Pope Gregory I that it gives no Roman Senate anymore. Maybe after this date gives something called Senate, but this was not more than the city council of Rome.

The Popes used it occasionally after that.

It used the Popes, would be more accurate.  Yes, it was reduced in power, but it still existed.  The original Senate was no more than a "City Council of Rome," anyway.  The Roman Senate was controlled by the Roman nobility.  It had alot of power in the late 800's and 900's when the Roman nobility used the papacy as their chew toy; this was "The Age of Iron".  It reappears (significantly) in the historic record during the period just before the "Babylonian Captivity" in Avignon.  It was opposed to papal policies (their business interests were with Northern Italy, which was in conflict with the popes), and was the cause for a number of the rebellions and political problems that forced the popes to flee.  After the popes left, it tried to convince them to come back to Rome, at various points by actually offering the popes (I think Clement in particular) a seat on the Roman Senate.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.039 seconds with 11 queries.