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« on: November 27, 2009, 06:32:09 PM »

Which has been our most pacificistic, non-interventionist President since the end of WWII? Would it be Kennedy because he was in office for such a short time? Perhaps Clinton? Obama still has alot of work in Afghanistan, and undoubtedly alot more villages to bomb before his time is up.

It's terrible to me that, regardless of domestic policy, US Presidents have had such an easy time creating/backing dictatorships and rebel groups that have led to so many deaths around the world. More than that, the bombs we've directly dropped have killed more than enough people. And somehow people don't get very upset about this.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2009, 07:08:04 PM »

Committing murder around the globe is part of the job description.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2009, 07:29:44 PM »

Carter
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2009, 08:03:25 PM »

I'd have said Jerry Ford, but he and Kissinger gave Suharto moral support in his genocide in East Timor. Therefore, Carter.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2009, 09:54:41 PM »
« Edited: November 27, 2009, 09:56:13 PM by Jacobtm »

Another delusional post from the "Blame America First" crowd.  Listen, if you little jerks hate your country that supposedly bombs other nations for no apparent reason, why don't you just get out?

There is nothing delusional about saying that a U.S. bomb killing an Afghan family is terrible. Also, from a more cynical/rrealpolitik perspective, there's nothing delusional about realizing that the ill-will that the US builds up by killing civilians and propping up governments which do the same is the reason we have half the problems that we do now.

Without having supported the Shah, we wouldn't have had the Islamic Revolution.
Without supporting the Taliban we wouldn't have had... the Taliban.
Without having supported governments which slaughtered their own citizens in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Argentina, The Dominican Republic, etc. We might not see citizens right in our back yard so eager to elect leaders who put themselves in direct opposition to the United States.

Are you suprised that Hugo Chávez doesn't seem unreasonable to Latinos when he suggests that the US military in Colombia is up to no good? Do you think Latinos don't remember 15, 20 years ago?

The United States could be a great force for good in the world. We throw it away each time we casually bomb some village in the middle of nowhere. We look like monsters each time we support, fund and train dictatorships and armies that opress their own people. When people like you try to demonize and minimalize those who have respect for human life, you just prove our opponents case and make it that much easier to oppose the US.

You're the delusional one if you don't think innocent foreigners are dying because of US actions. You're worse than delusional if you don't care.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2009, 10:02:13 PM »
« Edited: November 27, 2009, 10:03:58 PM by Jacobtm »

I'd have said Jerry Ford, but he and Kissinger gave Suharto moral support in his genocide in East Timor. Therefore, Carter.

Didn't Kissinger convince Ford to keep bombing laos/cambodia to sorta show American dominance wasn't broken?

Carter also began the funding of rebels in Afghanistan that would lead to the Taliban dominance over that country. Still, that seems to be his main sin as far as things go.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2009, 01:22:31 PM »
« Edited: November 28, 2009, 01:25:53 PM by Ghyl Tarvoke »

I'd have said Jerry Ford, but he and Kissinger gave Suharto moral support in his genocide in East Timor. Therefore, Carter.

Didn't Kissinger convince Ford to keep bombing laos/cambodia to sorta show American dominance wasn't broken?

Carter also began the funding of rebels in Afghanistan that would lead to the Taliban dominance over that country. Still, that seems to be his main sin as far as things go.

No; Kissinger convinced Nixon to keep bombing Laos and Cambodia (and oh yeah, North Vietmanese Hospitals). It was too late for that by the time Ford became president.

Carter also gave support to the Khmer Rouge due to its position in the Sino-Soviet split (that is, after the Vietnamese had invaded Cambodia and installed their own Communist state). A fact which is often forgotten...(though admittely wasn't very significant in the greater schemes of things). Along with his support for Somoza and the Shah I guess he is out.

Or rather what Libertas said is rather correct on this occasion.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2009, 05:02:51 PM »

Kennedy by default
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2009, 08:44:20 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2009, 08:46:16 AM »

Another delusional post from the "Blame America First" crowd.  Listen, if you little jerks hate your country that supposedly bombs other nations for no apparent reason, why don't you just get out?

Many other countries have no problem with admitting shameful chapters from their history and learning from this.

Since when critisism is unpatriotic? I always believed that criticism instead of blind "OMG, we are so awesome!" is very patriotic.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 08:52:45 AM »

Carter due to the alternatives being worse, I suppose. Or maybe Eisenhower has him marginally beat? At least, like, on a per diem basis of calculation? Oh, and if we don't do that, I guess Obama wins as yet.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 01:58:11 PM »

Or maybe Eisenhower has him marginally beat?

Tell this to all Iranian people who suffered first under Shah dictature, and then Islamic regime.
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