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« on: November 24, 2009, 04:51:04 AM »

New Election: 1944 Missouri Referendum General Election Results
   
   

Amazing how close this can get while losing 113 of 115 counties. IOW, the counties that were guaranteed to lose representation from a switch from 100+ reps elected to represent an entire county, did not like this. But underrepresented urban areas did.
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 08:29:04 AM »

I think unicameral legislatures would be worthwhile for smaller states. I mean, do Vermont, Wyoming, and Delaware really need a House and a Senate?
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 09:12:38 AM »

I think unicameral legislatures would be worthwhile for smaller states. I mean, do Vermont, Wyoming, and Delaware really need a House and a Senate?

Does any state, or for that matter the federal level need both?
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 05:51:25 PM »

I think unicameral legislatures would be worthwhile for smaller states. I mean, do Vermont, Wyoming, and Delaware really need a House and a Senate?

Does any state, or for that matter the federal level need both?

Federal level, yes, for a variety of very good reasons.

State level, not so much.

For that matter, why does New Hampshire--or any state--need one state rep for every 3300 people?
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 09:06:05 PM »

We have far too many state legislators.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2009, 12:28:52 PM »

I think unicameral legislatures would be worthwhile for smaller states. I mean, do Vermont, Wyoming, and Delaware really need a House and a Senate?

Part of the reason North Dakota considered going unicameral about a decade or so ago. Didn't pass though.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 11:42:27 PM »

I think unicameral legislatures would be worthwhile for smaller states. I mean, do Vermont, Wyoming, and Delaware really need a House and a Senate?

Part of the reason North Dakota considered going unicameral about a decade or so ago. Didn't pass though.

Yeah, it's hard to convince people to eliminate their own jobs.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 11:52:47 PM »

I think unicameral legislatures would be worthwhile for smaller states. I mean, do Vermont, Wyoming, and Delaware really need a House and a Senate?

Part of the reason North Dakota considered going unicameral about a decade or so ago. Didn't pass though.

Yeah, it's hard to convince people to eliminate their own jobs.

No, there was an actual referendum that made the ballot if I remember correctly.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2009, 06:45:28 AM »

We have far too many state legislators.
You Californians? Hardly.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2009, 07:56:38 AM »

I think unicameral legislatures would be worthwhile for smaller states. I mean, do Vermont, Wyoming, and Delaware really need a House and a Senate?

Part of the reason North Dakota considered going unicameral about a decade or so ago. Didn't pass though.

Yeah, it's hard to convince people to eliminate their own jobs.

No, there was an actual referendum that made the ballot if I remember correctly.

Ah, that makes more sense.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2009, 11:24:53 AM »


Yeah California State Senate districts are actually larger than its US House districts.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 01:20:52 PM »


Yeah California State Senate districts are actually larger than its US House districts.

The fact remains that we have both a Senate and an Assembly. That's at least one house too many.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2009, 01:43:34 PM »


Yeah California State Senate districts are actually larger than its US House districts.

The fact remains that we have both a Senate and an Assembly. That's at least one house too many.
It may be a House too many, but it's not too many legislators. Indeed, I would argue it's too few for fptp to work and have merits, and might be even if a hypothetical Unicameral had as many members as the two combined have today.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2009, 08:51:25 PM »


Yeah California State Senate districts are actually larger than its US House districts.

The fact remains that we have both a Senate and an Assembly. That's at least one house too many.
It may be a House too many, but it's not too many legislators. Indeed, I would argue it's too few for fptp to work and have merits, and might be even if a hypothetical Unicameral had as many members as the two combined have today.

No, FPTP's one merit (easy gerrymandering) works quite well with 120 legislators.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 12:21:38 AM »

We have far too many state legislators.
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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2009, 06:07:10 PM »

     Considering that the courts have ruled that a state cannot have a non-proportional house in its legislature, there's really no reason for any state to have a bicameral legislature. Now if only the citizens of these states would get to recognizing this & vote to eliminate their vestigial chambers, we could get somewhere.
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