Voting Reform Amendment [Failed]

[Marokai Backbeat]

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Sponsor: Senator Hashemite

[Rowan]

I support this. The length of time was a bit long in my previous bill.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Surprisingly I have conflicting feelings. Will 10 extra days actually matter here? In my mind, you either make a serious requirement or leave it as is.

[Purple State]

Surprisingly I have conflicting feelings. Will 10 extra days actually matter here? In my mind, you either make a serious requirement or leave it as is.

This is game reform, not Afghanistan.

I do think it's important to allow new members to vote within some semi-short period after registering. That said, we need to stop passing and re-passing changes that create a patchwork of regulations depending on when you registered. Let's get this right and be done with it.

[Rowan]

Surprisingly I have conflicting feelings. Will 10 extra days actually matter here? In my mind, you either make a serious requirement or leave it as is.

This is game reform, not Afghanistan.

I do think it's important to allow new members to vote within some semi-short period after registering. That said, we need to stop passing and re-passing changes that create a patchwork of regulations depending on when you registered. Let's get this right and be done with it.

But isn't Atlasia supposed to be a "plaything" for regular forum members? If people are registering here just for Atlasia, that's not what this game is made for.

[Purple State]

Surprisingly I have conflicting feelings. Will 10 extra days actually matter here? In my mind, you either make a serious requirement or leave it as is.

This is game reform, not Afghanistan.

I do think it's important to allow new members to vote within some semi-short period after registering. That said, we need to stop passing and re-passing changes that create a patchwork of regulations depending on when you registered. Let's get this right and be done with it.

But isn't Atlasia supposed to be a "plaything" for regular forum members? If people are registering here just for Atlasia, that's not what this game is made for.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with this reform. I just want to make sure that in 2 months the Senate isn't upping this to 30 days or 40 days. It creates an odd patchwork for the SoFA to sift through and easily confuses new members.

Of course, while it may have started as a plaything for regular forum members, I do think there is virtue to maintaining this is a somewhat open game. Atlasia has always thrived off some sort of "new blood." Definitely the "state hopping" amendment is warranted and having this up to a month is a productive move. I just want the Senate to make sure it gets this right and isn't amending it again soon.

[tmthforu94]

I'm still hesitant to vote for this, as ten days isn't a long time, and all it will really do is confuse people even more about registration requirements.

[Fritz]

Either keep it at 15, or bump it to 30.  25 is such an odd number of days.

[Purple State]

I wouldn't mind if a Senator piggy-backed an increase of the post requirement for registering into this amendment.

[Rowan]

I wouldn't mind if a Senator piggy-backed an increase of the post requirement for registering into this amendment.

I was actually thinking of doing that. What seems like a reasonable number? 100? 200?

[Purple State]

I wouldn't mind if a Senator piggy-backed an increase of the post requirement for registering into this amendment.

I was actually thinking of doing that. What seems like a reasonable number? 100? 200?

I think 150+ seems appropriate.

[Rowan]

I offer the following amendment:

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[Marokai Backbeat]

Posting requirements are pointless. And Purple State, remember that you're GM, not Senator.

I've explained before why these are pointless. Trolls and zombies spam and post on direction. We've had a variety of people that posted dozens of times in a very very short period of time, while the reasonable and intelligent posters who take their time and don't post on the order to do so increase their post count much more slowly.

It does nothing to solve the problem and only hurts legit members. No thank you.

[Purple State]

Posting requirements are pointless. And Purple State, remember that you're GM, not Senator.

So? I am also one of the strongest proponents of game reform and an officer of the government. You won't be silencing me.

[Sbane]

Posting requirements are pointless. And Purple State, remember that you're GM, not Senator.

I've explained before why these are pointless. Trolls and zombies spam and post on direction. We've had a variety of people that posted dozens of times in a very very short period of time, while the reasonable and intelligent posters who take their time and don't post on the order to do so increase their post count much more slowly.

It does nothing to solve the problem and only hurts legit members. No thank you.

I agree with this. Even if you increase the posting requirements, some jackass is going to spam the forum for a few days and get there. Time limits are the only way to prevent this. I also think you should have to declare your party affiliation when registering.

[Хahar 🤔]

No, no, no.

This will just make it harder for real posters.

[Sbane]

No, no, no.

This will just make it harder for real posters.

Why is 25 days too long?

[Хahar 🤔]

No, no, no.

This will just make it harder for real posters.

Why is 25 days too long?

I registered my first day.

[Alexander Hamilton]

No, no, no.

This will just make it harder for real posters.

Why is 25 days too long?

I registered my first day.

I registered my like 75th day.

[Hash]

Yeah, as much as I may have supported posting requirements, it's been made quite clear to me that trolls won't hesitate to spam/troll/post inanities to get the required post count if they want to join or, more likely, if they're sent a PM about joining.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

No, no, no.

This will just make it harder for real posters.

Why is 25 days too long?

I registered my first day.

I registered my like 75th day.

And barely has enough post to register at the time, If I remember correctly. A very innactive 75 days if you asked me.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I registered on my 10th day, though granted I was PM'd by Xahar about it. Still, I find this attitude that any real poster will have no problem with waiting indefinitely to join Atlasia rather bizarre.

[Alexander Hamilton]

No, no, no.

This will just make it harder for real posters.

Why is 25 days too long?

I registered my first day.

I registered my like 75th day.

And barely has enough post to register at the time, If I remember correctly. A very innactive 75 days if you asked me.

I prefer to read than post, to be honest. My post count is mostly from Atlasia and the Forum Community. I rarely venture outside into the open

[Sbane]

     I registered on my 10th day, though granted I was PM'd by Xahar about it. Still, I find this attitude that any real poster will have no problem with waiting indefinitely to join Atlasia rather bizarre.

Yeah. I don't think most people join the forum to join Atlasia. Rather they discover it after they get here. And the requirement is already 15 days and I don't see anything wrong with increasing it to 25. Interested members can wait an extra week.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I registered on my 10th day, though granted I was PM'd by Xahar about it. Still, I find this attitude that any real poster will have no problem with waiting indefinitely to join Atlasia rather bizarre.

Yeah. I don't think most people join the forum to join Atlasia. Rather they discover it after they get here. And the requirement is already 15 days and I don't see anything wrong with increasing it to 25. Interested members can wait an extra week.

     I would hope that when it comes to putting up walls, there would be some test more rigorous than not seeing anything wrong with it.

     That aside, creating the 15-day limit proved to be an unmitigated failure. Why should the 25-day limit work much better, or for that matter any limit short of the realm of multiple months? In recruiting, I've found that the 50 post limit is actually much more frustrating due to genuine posters like zclark1994 who post infrequently. Increasing the time requirement will probably just lead to yet more increases, due to the fundamental reason that it is nearly worthless.