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« on: October 02, 2009, 03:57:36 PM »
Sen. Kerry announced on MSNBC they he and Barbara Boxer were withdrawing their bill from Senate committee consideration. Kerry was vague about specifics--he seemed really pissed off--but he made references to "the new political reality" and called the President "damaged goods." Mitch McConnell said that the House bill is DOA in the Senate. Jeff Bingaman only said "something's rotten in the state of Denmark."

Uh oh, Valerie Jarrett is coming to the podium. Her family's behind her and I think that's David Gergen to her left. Is she stepping down?


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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 03:58:42 PM »
Awesome
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2009, 03:59:18 PM »
The Senate is a disgusting anti-democratic body.

"Change" dies a little more with each passing hour.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2009, 03:59:23 PM »
Quote from: brittain33 on October 02, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
Sen. Kerry announced on MSNBC they he and Barbara Boxer were withdrawing their bill from Senate committee consideration. Kerry was vague about specifics--he seemed really pissed off--but he made references to "the new political reality" and called the President "damaged goods." Mitch McConnell said that the House bill is DOA in the Senate. Jeff Bingaman only said "something's rotten in the state of Denmark."

Uh oh, Valerie Jarrett is coming to the podium. Her family's behind her and I think that's David Gergen to her left. Is she stepping down?

Oh crap. "I've got some bridges to rebuild in Chicago. My work is at home." Gergen stepping in to clean up. West Wing "in disarray."

News crawl... NETANYAHU TO LEVEL DOME OF THE ROCK FOR HELICOPTER PAD. "STOP ME!"
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2009, 04:06:52 PM »
Why, oh why, did Obama have to go to Denmark!?

Yeah, I see what you did there.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2009, 04:07:07 PM »
Wait is this just a joke thread?
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2009, 04:08:16 PM »

Do you really think Kerry would call Obama "damaged goods"?
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2009, 04:10:11 PM »

Nope. Obama farked up the Olympics, no-one takes him seriously anymore and now the world will burn.

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2009, 04:13:44 PM »

well, that is one area Kerry knows well
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2009, 04:46:54 PM »

Yes. Just like you.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2009, 04:57:47 PM »

I'm a joke thread? How does that even make sense?
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2009, 05:00:17 PM »

No.
You're a joke, period.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2009, 06:32:22 PM »

If that's true, then that's a victory for the good guys (being the US Economy and US Taxpayers).  There are so many more reasonable and viable approaches to transitioning the economy into a more "green" version without taxing companies and consumers to death.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 06:34:09 PM »

Co-sign.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2009, 06:44:08 PM »
Quote from: Stampever on October 02, 2009, 06:32:22 PM

If that's true, then that's a victory for the good guys (being the US Economy and US Taxpayers).  There are so many more reasonable and viable approaches to transitioning the economy into a more "green" version without taxing companies and consumers to death.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2009, 08:26:02 AM »
Quote from: brittain33 on October 02, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
Jeff Bingaman only said "something's rotten in the state of Denmark."

Heaven will direct it.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2009, 02:55:40 PM »


So Sanity has finally returned to America.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2009, 03:02:40 PM »
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 02:55:40 PM


So Sanity has finally returned to America.

If you say so, Inhofe.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2009, 03:06:29 PM »

Again with the strawman.
I'm sorry if I have a problem sending millions of people into poverty just to save a few fucking trees.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2009, 03:09:56 PM »
Quote from: JWHart on October 02, 2009, 04:10:11 PM

Nope. Obama farked up the Olympics, no-one takes him seriously anymore and now the world will burn.

lolrowanbrandon

Oh my gawd!!! Our envirofacist plan to send millions of people into poverty just to save a few fucking trees has failed!!! Quick!!! Somebody call the Anybody Who Opposes Insane Cap and Trade Legislation is a far right wing earth hating racist bigot!!!!

It is times like these that reaffirm my belief that the Left, just like the Right, is full of fear mongerers.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2009, 04:33:06 PM »
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 03:06:29 PM

Again with the strawman.
I'm sorry if I have a problem sending millions of people into poverty just to save a few fucking trees.

Ok, I have to facepalm here because environmentally friendly legislation does not equal impoverishing loads of people.  Seriously, where did you get that ridiculous notion from?

If only I had a big stick on me...
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2009, 04:35:18 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2009, 04:37:13 PM by Mechman »
Quote from: ChrisJG777 on October 03, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 03:06:29 PM

Again with the strawman.
I'm sorry if I have a problem sending millions of people into poverty just to save a few fucking trees.

Ok, I have to facepalm here because environmentally friendly legislation does not equal impoverishing loads of people.  Seriously, where did you get that ridiculous notion from?

If only I had a big stick on me...

Dude, in these economic times it would be stupid to go ahead with a plan like this. Wait until we are booming before pulling this. People are sacrificing enough as it is.
I'm for some environmentally friendly legislation, just not the kind that punishes people. If this bill was about funding alternate research or ending fuel subsidies, I would likely favor it. But it is about punishing people who might not have the money to use a fuel source many are reliant on right now. Also cap and trade leaves government waste unaccounted for since they control it.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 04:36:51 PM »
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: ChrisJG777 on October 03, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 03:06:29 PM

Again with the strawman.
I'm sorry if I have a problem sending millions of people into poverty just to save a few fucking trees.

Ok, I have to facepalm here because environmentally friendly legislation does not equal impoverishing loads of people.  Seriously, where did you get that ridiculous notion from?

If only I had a big stick on me...

Dude, in these economic times it would be stupid to go ahead with a plan like this. Wait until we are booming before pulling this. People are sacrificing enough as it is.

Ok, at this point I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with the legislation in question, but what about it in particular do you object to?
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009, 04:42:31 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2009, 04:45:01 PM by Mechman »
Quote from: ChrisJG777 on October 03, 2009, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: ChrisJG777 on October 03, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 03:06:29 PM

Again with the strawman.
I'm sorry if I have a problem sending millions of people into poverty just to save a few fucking trees.

Ok, I have to facepalm here because environmentally friendly legislation does not equal impoverishing loads of people.  Seriously, where did you get that ridiculous notion from?

If only I had a big stick on me...

Dude, in these economic times it would be stupid to go ahead with a plan like this. Wait until we are booming before pulling this. People are sacrificing enough as it is.

Ok, at this point I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with the legislation in question, but what about it in particular do you object to?

Just the whole mindset of it: to punish those who use fuel sources deemed "harmful". Pretty much people would have to pay the government extra to use certain fuel sources yet the government (who does the most polluting) gets off scot free! I wouldn't usually make a big deal about this but WE'RE STILL KIND OF IN A CRAPPY ECONOMY AND THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO START TALKING ABOUT A PLAN LIKE THIS.
I mean people are sacrificing as it is.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2009, 04:48:55 PM »
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: ChrisJG777 on October 03, 2009, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: ChrisJG777 on October 03, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: Mechman on October 03, 2009, 03:06:29 PM

Again with the strawman.
I'm sorry if I have a problem sending millions of people into poverty just to save a few fucking trees.

Ok, I have to facepalm here because environmentally friendly legislation does not equal impoverishing loads of people.  Seriously, where did you get that ridiculous notion from?

If only I had a big stick on me...

Dude, in these economic times it would be stupid to go ahead with a plan like this. Wait until we are booming before pulling this. People are sacrificing enough as it is.

Ok, at this point I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with the legislation in question, but what about it in particular do you object to?

Just the whole mindset of it: to punish those who use fuel sources deemed "harmful". Pretty much people would have to pay the government extra to use certain fuel sources yet the government (who does the most polluting) gets off scot free! I wouldn't usually make a big deal about this but WE'RE STILL KIND OF IN A CRAPPY ECONOMY AND THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO START TALKING ABOUT A PLAN LIKE THIS.
I mean people are sacrificing as it is.

mechman gets it
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