Bow Chicka Bow Wow Bill (Debating)

[MaxQue]

Regardless of your opinions, current laws are unenforceable.

@ MaxQue: Lowering the age wouldn't make it much less taboo as parents still would not be happy with their children viewing porn.

Don't overgeneralize, Vepres. Some parents has no problems with that. My parents autorized me to look porn at 16 years old, since they jugded than I was mature enough.

You talked to your parents about this?

I didn't. My mother did. Well, talking is not really the good word, since I didn't say anything. They don't know if I look at it.

[Fritz]

Before going further, are some persons are really arrested/fined for possessing some pornographical material?

As I stated earlier, I believe the law is primarily focused on the merchant who sells the material.  Persons who are arrested for possessing material are adults possessing material that contains children- not the other way around.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Al was satirizing NC Yank for being a xenophobe who decries people who come to America without being able to speak English when his own language skills are embarrassingly awful.

I don't decry people coming to America. I decry though the practice of using the Immigration system to wage economic genocide on poor Americans of all colors and background through wage depression. You increase the number of workers in a field, the wages will go down. Its economics 101 and the sectors being flooded with immigrant workers are already paid sh**t. I don't recall mentioning making English the national language recently, though some other Republican Avatar did, don't remember who though.

[tmthforu94]

Meh, my only issue with this bill is allowing teenagers to buy pornography. I think parents should be able to have a say in this. If the parents are OK with their kids watching porn, then thats fine.

[Rowan]

Can someone please tell me why a 14 year old needs to look at porn? Don't we have morals left at all?

[Marokai Backbeat]

Can someone please tell me why a 14 year old needs to look at porn? Don't we have morals left at all?

We can disagree on the morality of it (and we do) but the government has no place in enforcing any such "morality." This is an individual issue pure and simple. Since there is no clear, direct, demonstrated harm, we have no right to prevent such a thing.

Besides, you all act like this will suddenly make 14 year olds watch porn. I think they have that covered.

[Sewer]

Can someone please tell me why a 14 year old needs to look at porn? Don't we have morals left at all?

FAG Morales.

[Rowan]

Can someone please tell me why a 14 year old needs to look at porn? Don't we have morals left at all?

FAG Morales.

Is there something wrong with you?

[tmthforu94]

Can someone please tell me why a 14 year old needs to look at porn? Don't we have morals left at all?

We can disagree on the morality of it (and we do) but the government has no place in enforcing any such "morality." This is an individual issue pure and simple. Since there is no clear, direct, demonstrated harm, we have no right to prevent such a thing.

Besides, you all act like this will suddenly make 14 year olds watch porn. I think they have that covered.

The government shouldn't be making decisions for the family. If the parents don't want their child watching porn, I think they should be able to prevent that. While I like part of this bill, I disagree with the section allowing teenagers to buy pornography.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

From a public policy point of view, wouldn't it make sense to lift any restrictions on young 'un's buying pornographic material but keep or whatever restrictions on selling pornographic material to young 'uns and on advertising it? A situation where a 14 year old (or whatever) could be prosecuted for buying pornography is clearly absurd, either way.

[tmthforu94]

From a public policy point of view, wouldn't it make sense to lift any restrictions on young 'un's buying pornographic material but keep or whatever restrictions on selling pornographic material to young 'uns and on advertising it? A situation where a 14 year old (or whatever) could be prosecuted for buying pornography is clearly absurd, either way.

By doing that, wouldn't we be punishing companies for selling porn to minors, even though its legal?


Oh, I agree with the bolded statement. I don't think you should be sent to juvy or anything, but more of a slap on the wrist and letting parents know. I just think parents should be the ones deciding whether or not they want their child watching porn, and allowing these teenagers to buy it would take that ability away from the parents.

[Sewer]

Can someone please tell me why a 14 year old needs to look at porn? Don't we have morals left at all?

FAG Morales.

Is there something wrong with you?

Sí.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

By doing that, wouldn't we be punishing companies for selling porn to minors, even though its legal?

Well, no, because while it would be legal to buy and to (ahem) consume, it wouldn't be legal to sell.
It's a fairly common feature of laws to do with smoking, fwiw.

[Marokai Backbeat]

You say you don't want the government making decisions and you want the parents to be the ones in control, yet you want to keep a policy in place that is essentially the government making the decisions.

You realize that doesn't make any sense at all, yes?

If you think it should be up to the individuals and the families, then you should support such a law as this.

By doing that, wouldn't we be punishing companies for selling porn to minors, even though its legal?

Well, no, because while it would be legal to buy and to (ahem) consume, it wouldn't be legal to sell.

That seems rather silly and unnecessary.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That seems rather silly and unnecessary.

It makes a degree of sense on public policy grounds - it's obviously not a good thing to have teenagers arrested, prosecuted and whathaveyou (and also a massive waste of police time - in theory. In practice I'd be amazed if much is ever done about it - though America Atlasia can be a strange place) for buying pornography, but it's also obviously not a good thing to have pornography promoted to children. It's a little insane, but policy worked out on public policy grounds usually is. It's only a suggestion anyway - Senators are free to ignore it

[tmthforu94]

If you think it should be up to the individuals and the families, then you should support such a law as this.

I already stated above the I do support most of this bill. I just think that it should be left to the parents whether or not their kid can watch porn. If the parents don't mind their child watching porn, then they can go buy it for them.

[Marokai Backbeat]

If you think it should be up to the individuals and the families, then you should support such a law as this.

I already stated above the I do support most of this bill. I just think that it should be left to the parents whether or not their kid can watch porn. If the parents don't mind their child watching porn, then they can go buy it for them.

Again, these issues will be solved within the household. Parents can take it away, monitor what their kids buy, control the money supply, whatever. You keep acting like we're telling the parents to go screw themselves and we're not, this is no different than anything else.

Honestly this idea of constant parental supervision, oversight, and notification sets a rather terrifying precedent. What would you do for birth control? Condoms?

[tmthforu94]

Again, these issues will be solved within the household. Parents can take it away, monitor what their kids buy, control the money supply, whatever. You keep acting like we're telling the parents to go screw themselves and we're not, this is no different than anything else.

You can easily hide porn in your house. I can think of multiple places I could easily hide some porn. I'm not sure how well any parent could moniter what their child buys without watching them constantly.

This is just a personal preference. While I'm not a fan of this part, I will still probably be voting "Aye" on this legislation.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Will Badger be addressing this issue at all? I'm still eager to see what he has to say.

[Hatman 🍁]

I urge the Senate to pass this bill. Anyone who opposes this is probably a hypocrite. We all looked at porn when we were under 18. And if you somehow managed to avoid it, then please understand that most teenagers do. Let's not be hypocrites here.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I am in full support, although I do suggest that the bill removes federal restrictions on the issue rather than set an age for the whole country

[Alexander Hamilton]

I urge the Senate to pass this bill. Anyone who opposes this is probably a hypocrite. We all looked at porn when we were under 18. And if you somehow managed to avoid it, then please understand that most teenagers do. Let's not be hypocrites here.

That doesn't make us hypocrites. I drink, I'm 18, and I support a 21 legal age.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I urge the Senate to pass this bill. Anyone who opposes this is probably a hypocrite. We all looked at porn when we were under 18. And if you somehow managed to avoid it, then please understand that most teenagers do. Let's not be hypocrites here.

That doesn't make us hypocrites. I drink, I'm 18, and I support a 21 legal age.

Sorry dude but I think that does make you a hypocrit.  You support a restriction on others that you yourself don't subscribe to? 

[Alexander Hamilton]

I urge the Senate to pass this bill. Anyone who opposes this is probably a hypocrite. We all looked at porn when we were under 18. And if you somehow managed to avoid it, then please understand that most teenagers do. Let's not be hypocrites here.

That doesn't make us hypocrites. I drink, I'm 18, and I support a 21 legal age.

Sorry dude but I think that does make you a hypocrit.  You support a restriction on others that you yourself don't subscribe to? 

No. Others have the same access as me. They can make the choice to follow or not follow the law. It's there for a reason.

[Хahar 🤔]

I urge the Senate to pass this bill. Anyone who opposes this is probably a hypocrite. We all looked at porn when we were under 18. And if you somehow managed to avoid it, then please understand that most teenagers do. Let's not be hypocrites here.

That doesn't make us hypocrites. I drink, I'm 18, and I support a 21 legal age.

Sorry dude but I think that does make you a hypocrit.  You support a restriction on others that you yourself don't subscribe to? 

Theoretically, this could be non-hypocritical if he doesn't support following the law. Nonetheless, it's incredibly retarded.