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« Reply #5225 on: December 15, 2011, 10:18:38 PM »

Here is my justification for this bill.
Mountaintop removal is known to be an 'extreme' form of mining that occurs rarely, but has great negative impacts on people who live near the areas of where it takes place.  It destroys our beautiful mountains, harms biodiversity, fills our water with dirt and pollutants, contaminates the air with coal dust, and inevitably harms the health of residents nearby.  The form of mining also doesn't create new jobs, but reduces the need for workers.  The Northeast government should not permit this type of environmental destruction in our region.
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« Reply #5226 on: December 16, 2011, 03:45:54 PM »

Being from a coal mining state, I endorse this legislation. Even in states like West Virginia, most residents oppose mountain-top mining as a particularly destructive form of mining which causes erosion (and therefore pollution), destroys the scenic Appalachians, and takes away jobs which could be created through slower but safer methods of mining.
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« Reply #5227 on: December 17, 2011, 07:11:00 PM »

I support this legislation.  It's intent to protect our biodiversity, and prevent adverse effects is commendable.  It's important that we balance our demand for energy, and responsibility to the environment.  In this regard, I feel the benefit of this bill, far outweighs the benefit of permitting this method of mining.     
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« Reply #5228 on: December 17, 2011, 08:45:52 PM »

This bill is not only silly but also harmful.  Coal mining is inevitably a process which causes environmental damage, and obviously mining more coal would cause more damage.  However, it is ridiculous to say that coal should only be sourced from many small mines (all of which are environmentally-damaging eyesores), as opposed to a few big mines.  The level of environmental damage is going to inevitably be the same or even higher since only less-efficient methods are allowed to be used.

All this does is raise the price of energy, which will impact low-income individuals the most, and makes our mining industry uncompetitive compared to other regions and other countries which do not have these restrictions.  The 'mountaintop removal' will simply travel elsewhere, as well as the blue-collar unionized mining jobs that go with the coal mining industry.

If environmentalists are truly so concerned about this, then they are perfectly free to put their money where their mouth is and purchase said mountaintops from coal mining companies to be made into whatever sort of nature preserve they like.
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« Reply #5229 on: December 17, 2011, 09:10:17 PM »
« Edited: December 17, 2011, 09:12:05 PM by Northeast Speaker Scott »

This bill is not only silly but also harmful.  Coal mining is inevitably a process which causes environmental damage, and obviously mining more coal would cause more damage.  However, it is ridiculous to say that coal should only be sourced from many small mines (all of which are environmentally-damaging eyesores), as opposed to a few big mines.  The level of environmental damage is going to inevitably be the same or even higher since only less-efficient methods are allowed to be used.

All this does is raise the price of energy, which will impact low-income individuals the most, and makes our mining industry uncompetitive compared to other regions and other countries which do not have these restrictions.  The 'mountaintop removal' will simply travel elsewhere, as well as the blue-collar unionized mining jobs that go with the coal mining industry.

If environmentalists are truly so concerned about this, then they are perfectly free to put their money where their mouth is and purchase said mountaintops from coal mining companies to be made into whatever sort of nature preserve they like.

Regular mining does not result in the damage of approximately 1,200 miles of streams, destroyed forests on some 300 square miles of land, contamination drinking water, flooded communities, or destroyed wildlife the way mountaintop removal does.  The companies will be allowed to use other methods of mining, but not kinds that are capable of such destruction and environmental harm.  Inhabitants of places like rural Pennsylvania are directly impacted by the decisions of these coal-mining industries.

All the costs are externalized in the form of damaged health and the environment.  And, as previously stated, mountaintop removal takes away jobs.  On top of all that, hunting, fishing, and other activities flourish in these sights.  My bill would not have a high impact on jobs and, if anything, would reduce costs in the long run.  But right now, we are choosing between cheaper energy and the quality of life for Appalachian residents.

I would be very open to purchasing nature preservations if such a proposal is made.
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« Reply #5230 on: December 17, 2011, 09:21:01 PM »
« Edited: December 18, 2011, 04:35:58 AM by Northeast Speaker Scott »

Also, numerous polls such as these have shown that the vast majority of Appalachian residents oppose the procedure.  This Assembly ought to represent them and their views, since their lives will be affected by this bill the most.
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« Reply #5231 on: December 17, 2011, 10:06:13 PM »

But if we don't flatten the Appalachians, how will we ever make room for the Senator Libertas Memorial Park, or my palace?
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« Reply #5232 on: December 17, 2011, 10:08:14 PM »
« Edited: December 17, 2011, 10:11:08 PM by Northeast Speaker Scott »

But if we don't flatten the Appalachians, how will we ever make room for the Senator Libertas Memorial Park, or my palace?

Ever hear of a beautiful, flat place called Nebraska? Cheesy

But in all seriousness, there are many places in the Northeast not in Appalachia.  If you want to build something on flat land, you are welcome to do so, but such an extreme form of mining has a significant impact on the lives of people on this land.
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« Reply #5233 on: December 17, 2011, 10:23:21 PM »

Debate time has expired.  Members will now cast their votes on passage of the legislation.  This will be a 24-hour vote.

The Mountaintop Removal Ban Act

A BILL to preserve the environment and public health by banning the removal of summits or summit ridges of mountains

1. The Northeast Assembly hereby acknowledges:

  • That mountaintop removal is considered an 'extreme form' of mining
  • That mountaintop removal hurts biodiversity
  • That mountaintop removal reduces workers
  • That mountaintop removal is a threat to the public health

2. The Northeast government shall not distribute any permits to coal-mining industries that desire to mine through the means of mountaintop removal.

3. Mining industries that partake in this practice will be fined at a maximum of $250,000.  The final amount shall be determined in a court of law.
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« Reply #5234 on: December 17, 2011, 10:23:42 PM »

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« Reply #5235 on: December 17, 2011, 10:24:26 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #5236 on: December 17, 2011, 10:28:50 PM »

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« Reply #5237 on: December 17, 2011, 11:29:38 PM »

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« Reply #5238 on: December 18, 2011, 12:20:31 AM »

Can I still vote? If so, Aye.
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« Reply #5239 on: December 18, 2011, 10:39:30 PM »
« Edited: December 18, 2011, 10:44:19 PM by Northeast Speaker Scott »

Voting time has expired.  The ayes are four, nays are one, abstentions zero, and non-voting members two.  The bill is passed.

No further legislation shall be considered by this body until the following session.  Please reintroduce all new bills after the start of the next session.
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« Reply #5240 on: December 21, 2011, 03:36:14 PM »

The new session begins tomorrow. At that time, I will open nominations for Speaker (though I officially have no say, I endorse Scott)
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« Reply #5241 on: December 21, 2011, 09:28:48 PM »

Thank you, Governor.

Please swear in if you haven't yet, everyone.  Only Cincinnatus and I have done so.
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« Reply #5242 on: December 22, 2011, 12:10:44 AM »

I have no idea if I've been re-elected or not.
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« Reply #5243 on: December 22, 2011, 08:40:44 AM »

The new session begins tomorrow. At that time, I will open nominations for Speaker (though I officially have no say, I endorse Scott)

I oppose this blatant act of cronyism Wink
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« Reply #5244 on: December 22, 2011, 03:03:52 PM »

I swear in.
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« Reply #5245 on: December 22, 2011, 03:12:27 PM »


This thread, please. Wink
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« Reply #5246 on: December 22, 2011, 03:32:55 PM »

Scott has been an excellent Speaker and the Northeast would be blessed if he chose to serve again.
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« Reply #5247 on: December 22, 2011, 03:35:47 PM »

Thank you for your kind words, Napoleon.  I would very much like to run for the position again.
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« Reply #5248 on: December 22, 2011, 03:47:25 PM »

I'm throwing my tentative support behind Scott for Speaker Tongue
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« Reply #5249 on: December 22, 2011, 03:58:19 PM »

Thank you, 20RP12. Smiley
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