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« Reply #4600 on: September 18, 2011, 04:38:13 PM »

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« Reply #4601 on: September 18, 2011, 07:41:02 PM »

This amendment seems fine to me.  I can certainly support this bill, and it provides good text that previous laws lacked.  I will be voting Aye on the final bill.  Northeast citizens should have the right to protect themselves, in a reasonable capacity.
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« Reply #4602 on: September 18, 2011, 09:06:36 PM »

Debate has ended.  We will now vote on the final bill.  Voting will last 24 hours.  Note:  No bills exist in the introduction thread, so if you have one ready, or want to make a new one, please introduce it before voting closes tomorrow.

The amendment was considered friendly, and thus is incorporated into the bill.  The final text reads as;

Castle Law

A BILL that enforces the Castle Doctrine, to protect owners of homes, businesses, vehicles, or pets, who use deadly or non-deadly force against intruders, from prosecution.

1. An intruder(s) must have made an attempt to unlawfully enter a person's home, business, or vehicle without the consent of the owner

2. The owner of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder(s) had intended to burgle and/or to commit a violent crime (i.e. murder, rape, or arson).

3. The owner may apply force if his or her pet is being harmed by intruder(s)

4. The intruder(s) must have acted illegally; i.e. the owner does not have the right to attack a police officer acting in the course of their legal duties.

5. The owner is not required to retreat from their home before using deadly or non-deadly force.

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« Reply #4603 on: September 18, 2011, 09:08:17 PM »

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« Reply #4604 on: September 18, 2011, 09:08:38 PM »

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« Reply #4605 on: September 18, 2011, 11:14:58 PM »

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« Reply #4606 on: September 19, 2011, 06:37:57 AM »

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« Reply #4607 on: September 19, 2011, 09:30:40 PM »

The Ayes are 4, and Nays are 0.  The bill passes.  We will now debate the bill proposed by the Speaker from NY.  Debate will last 48 hours.

Repeal Two Bills I don't like Act

A BILL to repeal two acts, that do not befit the great Northeast Region.

1.  The Prisoner Diet Reform Act is hereby repealed.
2.  The Northeastern Green Jobs Act is hereby repealed.

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« Reply #4608 on: September 19, 2011, 09:32:46 PM »
« Edited: September 19, 2011, 09:34:18 PM by Cincinnatus »

I talked to dallasfan about the Prison reform act, and we both believe it's still law.  Wormyguy introduced a bill to repeal it a while back, but it failed.  If anyone has any knowledge of its repeal I'll withdraw that part, otherwise, the bill is awful and should no longer plague this region Wink
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« Reply #4609 on: September 19, 2011, 09:32:54 PM »

I encourage Representatives to put the best interests of this region before all and oppose this bill.
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« Reply #4610 on: September 19, 2011, 09:34:23 PM »

I don't really see how The Prisoner Diet Reform Act was necessary, so I don't think much would change if we repealed it.  But why do you think we should repeal The Northeastern Green Jobs Act?  If this legislation repeals that bill, I plan on voting against this.
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« Reply #4611 on: September 19, 2011, 09:46:55 PM »

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Ok.  Well, I'll start by pointing out sections at a time.

Section 1; 35%, really?  We wanted to turn 35% of jobs into "Green" ones?  This doesn't seem to be free-market economics to me.  By the way, have we received any GM response to this?  I doubt we turned 35% of jobs into "Green" one's in a year.  That was ambitious, and no doubt unfruitful if any SOIA or GM responded to it.

Section 2;  Well, Ok.  I guess that's more acceptable than assuming the market wants 35% Green jobs.

Section 3;  Create new and green jobs?  To drop the unemployment below 5%?  That obvious didn't work.  Last I checked we were at what?  7.5 or there about?  Besides the fact that throwing out money for a highly expensive industry, for undoubtedly very little success, is ridiculous.

Section 4;  What incentives?  What are we offering?  Are we giving these businesses political favours, tax breaks,  bathroom quickies?  What's our bargain here exactly?  More importantly, what's it costing our citizens, and what's it costing the government? 

There's my quick mock up as to why I don't care for the bill.  I'm all for common sense approach to new fuels, infrastructure building, and smart forestry initiatives.  However, I don't much care for 35% of a market being taken over by Government induced "Green" jobs.  This bill lacks proper detail, initiative, and common-sense that would foster smart industrial innovation in this trade.  I'd rather consider offering subsidies or loans, then abide by such a strict 35%, much less one demanded by our Gov't. 

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« Reply #4612 on: September 19, 2011, 09:49:53 PM »

The bill was amended in the SRC report...
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« Reply #4613 on: September 19, 2011, 09:52:35 PM »

The bill was amended in the SRC report...

Thanks, but unfortunately it doesn't change my opinion of it very much. 

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« Reply #4614 on: September 19, 2011, 09:58:23 PM »

The time has come for us to review and vote on the report by the SRC.

Report of the Statutory Review Commission

The Statutory Review Commission of the Northeast, having concluded its review of the statute, recommends the following changes to Northeast law:

1. Section IV of the Northeastern Healthcare Act is amended to include:

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2. Article B, Section 2 of the Northeast Medical Savings Account Act is hereby repealed.

3. The Northeast Pornography and Age of Consent Act is amended to include:

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4. The Children's Healthcare Act is hereby repealed.

5. Sections 1, 2 and 3 of The Smoking Age Standardization Act are amended as follows:

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6. Section 4 of the Predatory Lending Prohibition Act is amended as follows:

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7. Section 1 of the Fair Property Valuation Act is hereby repealed.

8. The Northeast Speed Limit Standardization Act is hereby repealed.

9. The Northeast Region Legislation Standardization Act is hereby repealed.

10. The Preferential Voting Act is amended as follows:

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11. Subsections 1 and 2 of Section 1 of the The Campaigning for Invalidation of Votes Initiative are amended as follows:

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12. The Nullification Resolution is hereby repealed.

13. Section 2 of the Proposition on the Officialization of the Separation of Religion and State is amended as follows:

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14. Section 5 of the Northeast Assembly Speaker Act is amended as follows:

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15. Subsections a and c of Section 1 (Proposed Legislation Thread) of the Standing Order on Assembly Procedure are hereby repealed and subsection e of Section 2 (Movement of Legislation to the Northeast Assembly Floor) of the Standing Order on Assembly Procedure is hereby repealed.

16.  Section 2 (Movement of Legislation to the Northeast Assembly Floor) of the Standing Order on Assembly Procedure is amended to replace all references to the Lieutenant Governor with references to the Speaker of the Assembly.

17. Section 2 (Movement of Legislation to the Northeast Assembly Floor) of the Standing Order on Assembly Procedure is specifically amended as follows:

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18. The Northeast Tax Initiative of March 2005 is hereby repealed.

19. The following amendment shall be made to the Northeastern Green Jobs Act:

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20. The Self Defense Act is hereby repealed.

21. The Wiki Emergency Act is hereby repealed.

22. The Northeast Order of Precedence Act is amended as follows:

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23. Section 2 of the Vacancy Filling Act is amended as follows:

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We, the undersigned commissioners, do hereby endorse these recommendations and urge the Assembly to adopt them forthwith.

Signed this 11th day of May 2011,

x homelycooking, Commissioner
x Dallasfan65, Commissioner
x Polnut, Commissioner
x Napoleon, Commissioner


We will have 48 hours of debate, which will be extended if deemed necessary. I expect full participation, Representatives.
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« Reply #4615 on: September 19, 2011, 10:01:13 PM »

The key word in the law being "goal"
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« Reply #4616 on: September 19, 2011, 10:02:52 PM »


So we agree the bill is a failure?  Wink
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« Reply #4617 on: September 19, 2011, 10:05:30 PM »
« Edited: September 19, 2011, 10:07:03 PM by Scott »

Albeit, the bill has flaws because it doesn't lay out how to convert these jobs, but it should be a priority of the Northeast government to transition our fuel sources, and thus, the jobs that bring us our fuel.  For example, if we fund research that finds alternative fuel sources, there would consequentially be less jobs in the oil industry and more green jobs, instead.  Now, we don't have to do this by force, necessarily, but we ought to maintain the right economic environment that supports green jobs.

I would be open to amendments that improve the bill and lay out specifics, but The Northeastern Green Jobs Act sets one of our government's priorities; that being, promoting green jobs.  If we don't place green jobs as a priority, then we won't make any progress, at all.
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« Reply #4618 on: September 19, 2011, 10:06:13 PM »


Not at all and it is a goal worth having until met. The wealthiest CDs in America are ones where green, high tech jobs have been encoruaged wend allowed to prosper. Places like Silicon Valley, excluding our own prominent financial industry of course. Plus with the ridiculous taxes in the Pacific, it would be very possible to lure these innovative pioneers to greener pastures. The Northeast is not contained in a vacuum.
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« Reply #4619 on: September 20, 2011, 04:37:42 PM »

Mr. Speaker, I think I should remind you that the Castle Law still needs to be brought to the Governor's desk to be signed or vetoed before the deadline. (I'm assuming only the Speaker is allowed to bring legislation to the Governor.)
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« Reply #4620 on: September 20, 2011, 05:07:44 PM »

Sorry for missing the last vote, but I'm glad it passed.
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« Reply #4621 on: September 20, 2011, 06:17:26 PM »

Does anyone want to offer amendments, or should I assume we're all dead-set on our votes already?
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« Reply #4622 on: September 21, 2011, 12:41:41 AM »

I could offer wrecking amendments, I suppose, but I'd rather just be honest and vote against the bill.
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« Reply #4623 on: September 21, 2011, 04:53:03 PM »

Well, I don't expect this to pass in its current state.  I also made the title purposefully in order to get some sort of response.  In effect, I'm glad we at least had some productive response, which is more often than not lacking in this body.  I propose the following amendment;

Repeal of The Prisoner Diet Reform Act

A BILL to repeal an act, that does not befit the great Northeast Region.

1.  The Prisoner Diet Reform Act is hereby repealed.


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« Reply #4624 on: September 21, 2011, 04:54:59 PM »

Status:  Origination.  Incorporated.  This is the current and final text [unless another amendment is offered] of the bill;

Repeal of The Prisoner Diet Reform Act

A BILL to repeal an act, that does not befit the great Northeast Region.

1.  The Prisoner Diet Reform Act is hereby repealed.

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