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« Reply #4325 on: August 10, 2011, 08:16:01 AM »

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« Reply #4326 on: August 10, 2011, 08:49:33 AM »

On the first question the ayes are two and the nays are four. The amendment is not agreed to.

On the second question the ayes are two and the nays are four. The amendment is not agreed to.

On the third question the ayes are six and the nays are zero. The amendment is agreed to.

The Assembly will now vote on the bill as a whole:

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« Reply #4327 on: August 10, 2011, 08:52:38 AM »

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This will be a 24 hour vote.
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« Reply #4328 on: August 10, 2011, 01:28:07 PM »

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« Reply #4329 on: August 10, 2011, 01:41:55 PM »

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« Reply #4330 on: August 10, 2011, 03:50:09 PM »

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« Reply #4331 on: August 10, 2011, 06:59:35 PM »

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« Reply #4332 on: August 11, 2011, 08:46:45 AM »

On the previous question the ayes are two and the nays are two. The new constitution is not agreed to, as it has failed to attain a supermajority of affirmative votes.

The Assembly will now consider the following bill, sponsored by the honorable member from Pennsylvania.

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Debate will last 48 hours and begins now.
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« Reply #4333 on: August 11, 2011, 08:56:32 AM »

The Speaker would like to announce that he will be absent from the Assembly starting this evening and continuing until this Sunday afternoon. Anyone willing to serve as Speaker in his absence is welcome to; all that would presumably be asked of him would be to close debate and open a vote on the above bill on Saturday morning, hold the vote on the bill which would close Sunday morning, and open debate on the "Partners in Civic Engagement Act" Sunday morning.

I have a few problems with the Prison Self-Sustainment Act: production of 75% of food from gardens would probably entail growing plants in Northeast gardens that are not endemic to the region and would not thrive due to climate or precipitation restrictions. If you change the percentage or specify that all local produce which could be grown in prisons is required to be, that problem could be solved.

Also, section 3 might not be feasible, especially if the extra land is not adjacent to the prison.
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« Reply #4334 on: August 11, 2011, 11:58:49 AM »

To propose 2 amendments:

Section 1 shall read:

1. All Northeast Prisons shall be required to produce at least 50% of their food from gardens, which shall be created and maintained by inmates.

Section 3 shall be stricken from the bill.
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« Reply #4335 on: August 11, 2011, 12:03:15 PM »

Those amendments will make this bill more supportable.  I commend you on your efforts Smiley
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« Reply #4336 on: August 11, 2011, 12:26:20 PM »

Would it be possible to define what constitutes a balanced diet in section 2, or is the sense of the Assembly that that should be left up to the wardens and staff of the prisons?
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« Reply #4337 on: August 11, 2011, 12:44:16 PM »

I would leave it to nutritionists.
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« Reply #4338 on: August 11, 2011, 06:37:56 PM »

How and by whom would the nutritionists be selected? Would they be employed by the prisons directly and if so would there be oversight of their choices?
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« Reply #4339 on: August 12, 2011, 02:07:01 AM »

You could simply require it to be consistent with federal standards or current regional prison diets.
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« Reply #4340 on: August 12, 2011, 05:33:03 AM »

Then, I propose to amend section 2 to read:

All inmates shall be given the right to decide amongst themselves which crops shall be maintained within the garden; however, prisons must require enough variety as so to allow for a balanced diet for the inmates as consistent with present prison dietary standards.
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« Reply #4341 on: August 12, 2011, 12:47:20 PM »

I'm not sure if I support this.  However, I think that allowing -- rather than forcing -- inmates to tend their own garden of some sort may help encourage rehabilitation and decrease violence.
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« Reply #4342 on: August 12, 2011, 01:53:34 PM »

Not all of them are gonna have to work in it. However, it could easily be something of a rehabilitation program, and certainly better than hard labor.
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« Reply #4343 on: August 13, 2011, 04:00:05 PM »

The Speaker would like to announce that he will be absent from the Assembly starting this evening and continuing until this Sunday afternoon. Anyone willing to serve as Speaker in his absence is welcome to; all that would presumably be asked of him would be to close debate and open a vote on the above bill on Saturday morning, hold the vote on the bill which would close Sunday morning, and open debate on the "Partners in Civic Engagement Act" Sunday morning.


While I would like to get moving, the running of the Assembly is the job of the Lt. Gov first.  I wasn't elected as Speaker, nor appointed as Lt. Gov, so I don't think it would be right to overstep the duties afforded to me by election.  If someone else wishes to act as Speaker in your absence, I will participate in debate and vote.  I will not however take it upon myself to over-extend the authority granted to me.
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« Reply #4344 on: August 13, 2011, 08:58:09 PM »

I have no authority to appoint a Speaker.

There is a clear division of powers between the executive and the legislative branches.

In the absence of the Speaker, the Lieutenant Governor is to ensure that the Assembly keeps running smoothly.

The Chief Judicial Officer should make a ruling.

However, the Speaker returns tomorrow evening.
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« Reply #4345 on: August 14, 2011, 02:19:55 PM »

In the absence of the Speaker, the Lieutenant Governor is to ensure that the Assembly keeps running smoothly.

In the absence of the Lt. Gov, the Speaker is supposed to run the Assembly.  The last two (perhaps more, but since I've been here), haven't run the Assembly, so the Speaker has assumed the role.  The law of Northeast is for the Lt. Gov to run the Assembly and vote when needed (tie).  homely just happens to be far more knowledgeable about Assembly procedure, so the fact that he's been running the Assembly is advantageous.   

I'd have no problem moving the Assembly forward if I felt I had the authority to do so.  If Simfan needs help/instruction in what to do, he can message me or someone with past experience like Napoleon.  Otherwise, I guess this short wait won't be a big deal Smiley
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« Reply #4346 on: August 14, 2011, 05:02:32 PM »

The Speaker has returned from his weekend excursion to the great state of New York.

Time for debate on the bill has expired. The following amendment to section 2 of the bill, proposed by the honorable member from Massachusetts, will come to a vote:

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Members will vote aye or nay: this will be a 24-hour vote. Unless the honorable member from Pennsylvania informs me otherwise, I will consider the two amendments he proposed to his own bill to be friendly.
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« Reply #4347 on: August 14, 2011, 07:26:54 PM »

Aye on the amendment
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« Reply #4348 on: August 14, 2011, 08:15:56 PM »

During my short time as Lieutenant Governor, I was directing the affairs of the Assembly.  We had no Speaker at the time.
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« Reply #4349 on: August 14, 2011, 08:18:51 PM »

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